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Explain to me your paranormal beliefs.
I am making this because of the insane debate that happened in the ghost thread. I want to open things up a bit and hear about everything supernatural (unless it's the TV show with the two hunky guys and the extremely low budget) that anyone here believes; I want you to explain exactly what you believe. More than half of the time when I hear people describing their beliefs it's something to the effect of "It just felt like something supernatural" or "Science can't explain it so it was definitely something outside of science" or "It's some form of energy that's just different from anything we know about." What is missing from all of these claims? An actual claim. None of them specifically state what it is they're talking about. If you think there are "some things science just can't explain" then name those things.
So yeah, ITT state your (or your "friends" if that makes it easier) paranormal beliefs in the most specific way possible. To make it easier for you I promise not to attempt to debate any specific claims unless I'm specifically invited to by the person posting it. If you don't manage to make an actual claim the first time around I will ask for more detail though. Hopefully people are less scared of open discussion than they apparently are of ghosts.
Also no one gets to use religion as their paranormal belief except IVT because his version of god is essentially a cross between Hitler and Dracula and I think that counts.
So yeah, ITT state your (or your "friends" if that makes it easier) paranormal beliefs in the most specific way possible. To make it easier for you I promise not to attempt to debate any specific claims unless I'm specifically invited to by the person posting it. If you don't manage to make an actual claim the first time around I will ask for more detail though. Hopefully people are less scared of open discussion than they apparently are of ghosts.
Also no one gets to use religion as their paranormal belief except IVT because his version of god is essentially a cross between Hitler and Dracula and I think that counts.
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and IVT, normally, when someone questions you, you respond with logic or debunk what they said, not "ummm what" -- FAIL
He is saying those are your beliefs; thus, you should to explain why they are not.
Debating 101.
;-)
anyway.. all three are famous people? or.. wait.. no.. only one is.. the other two aren't quite human..:confused:
@bufli: too close to home? :tongue:
Fascist: Is the unquestionable ruler of literally everything. Has a Chosen People who are tasked with building a nation that is more important than any other nation. Not only advocates but commands genocide toward this end (OT, Jericho). Watches everything you do all the time and acts as judge and jury. Will have you executed for loyalty to any other leader (see first commandment). Rewards loyal followers with the "opportunity" to praise him for all of eternity. Sentences detractors to an eternity of suffering. Punishes even minor transgressions with horrifying reprisals, such as (paraphrased) "I see you've left the special period tent despite being on the rag; have some leprosy and maybe you'll think twice next time woman" "I told you not to pull out while fucking your sister in law, now I gotta kill you you stupid son of a bitch" "Hey Jew Guy and Jew Guy's Wife; you know the rules. If your kid talks back you gotta bash his head in with rocks now get to it." You may notice a slight overlap with bloodthirsty here but then, the two generally do go hand in hand.
Bloodthirsty: Demands animal sacrifice, sometimes burnt, sometimes raw. Either way, dead animals are a mandatory tax/bribe. Punishes everyone within the general vicinity of transgressors in addition to the wrongdoers themselves; visits judgment on bad people's offspring (Exodus), countrymen (also Exodus), livestock (see above), and just people who just happen to be standing nearby (Leviticus, earth opens up, dudes fall in, Job's family, Sodom and the other one I can't spell). Wipes out every living thing on earth because people, for whom he is directly responsible, are assholes (gee, I wonder where they get it). Suddenly decides to be nice and forgive everyone as long as they're sorry, to the delight of serial rapists and murderers everywhere. Accomplishes this by having a son specifically for the purpose of having him killed so that sinners can wash their sins away by bathing in his motherfucking blood. Also advocates cannibalism and drinking of said blood; and it's not meant to be a metaphor either since the Eucharist "literally" transforms.
Basically I could have said "read the bible" and it would have accomplished as much but there it is. Let's move on to other more interesting paranormal claims now please.
Now, these are petty human qualities, but they're exactly what the Bible ("the word of God") proscribes. If God did create humans, he'd know that as a species we're more amenable to following by example rather than by obeying divine commands ("You shall not do this or that").
Edit: Why, it's almost as if iron age desert dwellers dreamed up a god that represented the qualities they saw in themselves! Seriously though, anyone who thinks that the punishments handed out in the bible are just or even acceptable (including and especially the concept of hell) is basically irredeemably stupid and evil.
bran castle aint too far from my city but i haven't been there since i was really young haha
as for dracula the actual guy the story is based of vlad tepes (who was son of dracu part of the order of the dragon etc etc.) is viewed as a hero amongst us from that part of the world, in fact i'm more then glad this crazy psychopath came into power and in control of my country when he did. sure he brutally murdered anyone whom he thought was useless but i mean he was the one who pretty much ended the Islamic expansion into Europe
In addition, God isn't exactly welcoming us into Heaven with open arms. He watches what we do, and judges our every move. And if you don't measure up, he punishes you by sending you off to Hell for eternity. God is in serious need of some anger management courses. Satan's just doing what he's told (as in the example with Job and his family).
none of that "logic" and "sense" will mean anything to a religious person
=P
when he came into power the country was torn and divided by the constant Turkish raids, poverty was at an all time high & most of the money was being taken by the Turks, corruption amongst the noble men was also ramped, his own father was assassinated and vlad and his brother were handed to the turks to be brainwashed so that they would one day be put into power and server the sultan
yet when vlad gained power he declared war on the turks, and ruled with an iron fist to cleanse the country of the all the shit
all noble men involved with his fathers assassination were executed, anyone who committed a crime also faced the ultimate punishment
in very little time vlad reduced crimes and showed the upper class of the country they are not the ones in power and their money is bloody worthless, it showed the people who through they could steal and do anything they want discipline and made them an example for the rest
yes he used fear, but desperate times call for desperate measures
thank you for the explanation and i do see your point... although agreeing with it is another matter.. and i would have to say this is much more interesting that trying to explain paranormal beliefs..:tongue: look how many people replied to this thread after it got derailed..=) agreed...actually it wouldn't make much sense to a non-religious person either... or atleast one who isn't familiar with the bible...
kudos for defending vlad... desperate times do call for desperate measures.. except maybe the impaling then drinking part.. that was a lil bit too extreme for my tastes.. =S
I never said I'm ok with torture/murder of innocent people
I even said vlad was a crazy sob
my point was in the time he lived, with the corruption and poverty of the time, his extreme tactics to unite the people using fear were necessary
like i said desperate times call for desperate measures
i never said kill random people but on the other hand under those circumstances thieves, murderers, cheaters, etc. paid the ultimate price and under those circumstances i agree with what he did because i see no other way he could have controlled the people
u make it seem like this is so far fetched, during WW2 citizens in democratic "free" nations gave up their right (martial law)
I must say, its so much easier having extra labor in the No-IVT club, I was getting tired working 7 days a week.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
-Jesus
Luke 19:27
Also, the entire book of Revelations. What with the bit about Jesus coming back on a white horse and literally killing people himself. With a sword that comes out of his mouth no less.
And even with all of this added craziness (and there's plenty of it), the NT doesn't get you off the hook for the horrors of the OT, because Jesus says that "not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished" which is to say that the law of Leviticus will be upheld until the fucking end times.
Would you care to actually address any of these points, or do you want to concede that the god you believe in is, according to you own holy book, both fascist and bloodthirsty?
14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'
15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.
16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'
17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'
18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'
19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'
20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'
22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'
24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'
25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'
26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away.
27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
good job quoting the last line of a parable and taking it as a command, noob.