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Coalition Government? Fuck Yeah!

primexx
edited December 2008 in General
I can't believe nobody posted this yet, well here it is:

The conservative assholes have royally pissed the opposition off and they've been talking about a coalition government for a little while now. the tories have withdrawn the top reason, a bill which'll strangle every other party to death, but the opposition is still planning a coalition government out.

discuss!
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  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    brb caring
  • JayDub
    edited November 2008
    Dude, your thing in the paper on how Arts is harder than Science was the stupidest thing I have ever read in the Peak.
  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    LOL Arts

    oh and the coalition would be such bullshit. the Bloc Quebecois would be part of it. They have no right to make decisions that affect all of Canada
  • Morro
    edited November 2008
    Bunch of idiots. I don't care how much you hate Harper or the conservatives, this shows, pure and simple, the utter disdain they have for the entire democratic process. If they want to form a coalition, FINE, they can do that. But they can do it BEFORE they get their votes. They can meld their parties, then run based on that. To receive their votes, then try this shit? They're a bunch of egotistical, authoritarian assholes. Fuck them.
  • primexx
    edited November 2008
    Morro;41716 said:
    Bunch of idiots. I don't care how much you hate Harper or the conservatives, this shows, pure and simple, the utter disdain they have for the entire democratic process. If they want to form a coalition, FINE, they can do that. But they can do it BEFORE they get their votes. They can meld their parties, then run based on that. To receive their votes, then try this shit? They're a bunch of egotistical, authoritarian assholes. Fuck them.
    and 40% of the votes ruling the other 60% is democratic...how, exactly?
  • JayDub
    edited November 2008
    Because 40% of the country voted for one party while 60% of the party couldn't agree on a single party together, they were split between four parties.
  • Morro
    edited November 2008
    primexx;41720 said:
    and 40% of the votes ruling the other 60% is democratic...how, exactly?
    A fine question to pose, and one which obviously motivated the leftist parties of Canada to team up. Fine. To come together, to get the votes, to beat the conservatives, is not at all a bad idea. But to do it after they've already lost, to essentially overturn the decision of the Canadian public by changing the entire voting makeup after the public has already voted, is to demonstrate that they have absolutely no respect of the constitution of Canada. They are immoral ideologues.
  • primexx
    edited November 2008
    Morro;41723 said:
    A fine question to pose, and one which obviously motivated the leftist parties of Canada to team up. Fine. To come together, to get the votes, to beat the conservatives, is not at all a bad idea. But to do it after they've already lost, to essentially overturn the decision of the Canadian public by changing the entire voting makeup after the public has already voted, is to demonstrate that they have absolutely no respect of the constitution of Canada. They are immoral ideologues.
    but they're not changing the outcome of the votes! The canadian public voted in favour of anything but conservative but due to our messed up electoral system they got in power anyways. a coalition government would only be correcting the mess and to reflect the actual voting makeup. Also each party would be able to have a voice in government, instead of the one dictatorship ran by Harper.

    Also, what they're doing is also 100% constitutional, so it's rather ludicrous to suggest that they don't respect it.

    edit: oh look
  • Ether
    edited November 2008
    primexx;41724 said:
    The canadian public voted in favour of anything but conservative
    Er.. sort of. The Canadian public also voted in favour of anything but Liberal, anything but NDP, anything but BQ, and anything but Green.

    If you want to look at it that way, fewer people voted for "anything but Conservative" than voted for "anything but ".
  • primexx
    edited November 2008
    Ether;41727 said:
    Er.. sort of. The Canadian public also voted in favour of anything but Liberal, anything but NDP, anything but BQ, and anything but Green.

    If you want to look at it that way, fewer people voted for "anything but Conservative" than voted for "anything but ".
    the difference, of course, is that all the other parties are left-wing (according to canadian metrics at any rate).
  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    primexx;41724 said:
    but they're not changing the outcome of the votes! The canadian public voted in favour of anything but conservative but due to our messed up electoral system they got in power anyways. a coalition government would only be correcting the mess and to reflect the actual voting makeup. Also each party would be able to have a voice in government, instead of the one dictatorship ran by Harper.

    Also, what they're doing is also 100% constitutional, so it's rather ludicrous to suggest that they don't respect it.

    edit: oh look
    the BQ will be in this coalition. How is it fair that a party that has 0 MPs outside of PQ will have a say in decisions for all of Canada? hmm?
  • Broken Lizard
    edited November 2008
    primexx is an idiot
    move along everyone
  • Ether
    edited November 2008
    How is it fair that a party that has 0 MPs outside of PQ will have a say in decisions for all of Canada?
    That's the problem. There are a lot of people who may accept the policies of the Liberals and even the NDP, but are strongly opposed to the Bloc. It would be much more fair to Canadian voters to form a new party and go to the polls.
  • primexx
    edited November 2008
    IVT;41732 said:
    the BQ will be in this coalition. How is it fair that a party that has 0 MPs outside of PQ will have a say in decisions for all of Canada? hmm?
    better than having a one-party dictatorship. ultimately the electoral system needs reform (Greens, anyone?), but given what we have a coalition is far better than a tory government.
  • JayDub
    edited November 2008
    LOL Green!

    GTFO with your Green. There is a reason why they didn't get any seats, because they are useless. I mean look at their leader who ran against Peter McKay. GG her.
  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    primexx;41748 said:
    better than having a one-party dictatorship. ultimately the electoral system needs reform (Greens, anyone?), but given what we have a coalition is far better than a tory government.
    not it is not better

    the faux-French should not make decisions for all of Canada
  • primexx
    edited November 2008
    IVT;41755 said:
    not it is not better

    the faux-French should not make decisions for all of Canada
    you're so concerned with the Bloc, so screw the rest of the parties as well as the rest of Canada just because you hate quebec??
  • Ether
    edited November 2008
    No, screw Quebec because Quebec hates Canada.


    The Liberals and NDP will lose more than they gain by forming a coalition. When the coalition breaks up, voters will shun them for getting into bed with the BQ.
  • siuying
    edited November 2008
    Morro;41723 said:
    A fine question to pose, and one which obviously motivated the leftist parties of Canada to team up. Fine. To come together, to get the votes, to beat the conservatives, is not at all a bad idea. But to do it after they've already lost, to essentially overturn the decision of the Canadian public by changing the entire voting makeup after the public has already voted, is to demonstrate that they have absolutely no respect of the constitution of Canada. They are immoral ideologues.
    yeah.. i didn't really like the fact the other parties raised this issue right after the election..=( a coalition government would essentially throw the citizen's vote out the window.. to which i ask what's the point of voting if they are able to veto the party in power and disregard the vote of the canadians? (thank goodness i didn't vote) it's disrespectful alright.. a political move carried out in its lowest form..

    ps: actually.. i'm more surprised no one posted anything regarding the attack in Mumbai.. =S
  • primexx
    edited November 2008
    siuying;41761 said:
    yeah.. i didn't really like the fact the other parties raised this issue right after the election..=( a coalition government would essentially throw the citizen's vote out the window.. to which i ask what's the point of voting if they are able to veto the party in power and disregard the vote of the canadians? (thank goodness i didn't vote) it's disrespectful alright.. a political move carried out in its lowest form..

    ps: actually.. i'm more surprised no one posted anything regarding the attack in Mumbai.. =S
    well, seeing as how the tories never got majority, anyone who could muster more than half the votes gets to form the government. there's nothing that goes "against" the people's votes, I don't know why you're all saying that, because it's simply not true.

    btw: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/11/30/canada-coalition.html
  • Student0667
    edited November 2008
    Morro;41723 said:
    A fine question to pose, and one which obviously motivated the leftist parties of Canada to team up. Fine. To come together, to get the votes, to beat the conservatives, is not at all a bad idea. But to do it after they've already lost, to essentially overturn the decision of the Canadian public by changing the entire voting makeup after the public has already voted, is to demonstrate that they have absolutely no respect of the constitution of Canada. They are immoral ideologues.
    Maybe it is just me, but my impression of the Westminister system is that we the people elect MLA to represent us in Parliament. However, once they get there, whatever-the-hell they plan to do or vote or gang up is up to them. Afterall, we did vote them to Ottawa...
    siuying;41761 said:
    it's disrespectful alright.. a political move carried out in its lowest form..
    I don't see anything wrong with this move. Like I said previously, as long as they represent us, what they do and vote in Ottawa is their problem, not ours.
    ps: actually.. i'm more surprised no one posted anything regarding the attack in Mumbai.. =S
    Why don't you start one?
  • siuying
    edited November 2008
    primexx;41763 said:
    well, seeing as how the tories never got majority, anyone who could muster more than half the votes gets to form the government. there's nothing that goes "against" the people's votes, I don't know why you're all saying that, because it's simply not true.

    btw: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/11/30/canada-coalition.html
    i'm saying this because they pulled this move 2 months (or so?) after the election.. i wouldn't be saying this if they did this before we ran the election.. in fact that would be the fairer move as opposed to this.. and the result of that election was.. the conservatives won.. i think at the very least those results should be upheld (and respected) regardless if they won a majority or not..

    i don't think canadians are stupid.. they know how our electoral system works and if they had wanted some other party to run for them that party would be in power right now.. and for those who aren't familiar with this process but voted anyway.. they've probably wasted their vote by failing to learn how it's suppose to be done..=\
  • mrbubbles
    edited November 2008
    Meh, the Liberals have govern this nation for 65 of the last 100 years, they did a decent job. A lot of well-governed developed nations are heavily centre-left, that's saying something.
  • primexx
    edited November 2008
    siuying;41766 said:
    i'm saying this because they pulled this move 2 months (or so?) after the election.. i wouldn't be saying this if they did this before we ran the election.. in fact that would be the fairer move as opposed to this.. and the result of that election was.. the conservatives won.. i think at the very least those results should be upheld (and respected) regardless if they won a majority or not..
    but the conservative party didn't win, or we wouldn't be in this situation right now. They're just the largest minority party, and the only reason they got to form a government is because they got support from enough of the opposition to make majority vote. there's no voter choice for any party to govern.

    And how do you propose we plan out coalition government before we even know who gets how many seats? "Oh we want to work together so voters please don't vote any of us into a majority government"?? You're asking the opposition to do something that's impossible. It's perfectly legitimate and makes perfect sense to talk about it now that the election's over, and the tories have a minority, it's the only situation in which a coalition government in our electoral system could possibly be formed, period.
    siuying;41766 said:
    i don't think canadians are stupid.. they know how our electoral system works and if they had wanted some other party to run for them that party would be in power right now.. and for those who aren't familiar with this process but voted anyway.. they've probably wasted their vote by failing to learn how it's suppose to be done..=\
    I don't think you (or anyone else who thinks they should have formed a coalition government before the election, for that matter) know how the system works.
  • Ether
    edited November 2008

    I don't think you (or anyone else who thinks they should have formed a coalition government before the election, for that matter) know how the system works.
    Nobody was suggesting that they "form a coalition government" before the election.
    What they should have done, was form an alliance and consolidate into one party. The conservative parties did it back in 2003. Now there's only one Conservative Party and it has a substantial amount of support. The NDP, Liberals, and the Bloc could have done the same before the last election.
    Instead, they pull this stunt now.
  • JayDub
    edited December 2008
    With this new coalition government, I think this song is suiting.

    [youtube]6YbIOrnn-5E[/youtube]

    For you non-francos, they are singing "Liberating us from the Liberals".
  • Kevin M.Kevin M.
    edited December 2008
    Ether;41727 said:
    Er.. sort of. The Canadian public also voted in favour of anything but Liberal, anything but NDP, anything but BQ, and anything but Green.

    If you want to look at it that way, fewer people voted for "anything but Conservative" than voted for "anything but ".
    good point
  • lazyGUY
    edited December 2008
    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/11/30/canada-coalition.html

    see i would have agreed with most of you guys but only if the conservatives hadnt called for the election when it was totally unnecessary

    and IVT BQ isnt officially apart of the coalition
  • IVTIVT
    edited December 2008
    lazyGUY;41783 said:

    and IVT BQ isnt officially apart of the coalition
    good.



    its so pathetic that all the other parties are focusing more on sticking it to Harper than o n actually running the country
  • Agentbob
    edited December 2008
    JayDub;41781 said:
    With this new coalition government, I think this song is suiting.

    [youtube]6YbIOrnn-5E[/youtube]

    For you non-francos, they are singing "Liberating us from the Liberals".
    Holy shit. *bust out glow sticks*

    Regarding the election that we just had. Harper violated his own election laws that he implemented by calling an election. As for the BLOC, they're the reason why Harper still has a minority government. I don't know much about coalition governments, so I can't say.
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