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edited December 2009 in General
okay.. since this place is so dead let's liven up the place.. now i've asked a lot of people about these question(s) and i've come across some very unique answers (and some very common ones)... so i wanna see what fellow talksfu'ers think..=P

in a relationship, what do you consider as cheating?
what do you use to define whether a person has cheated?
if you suspect your significant other of cheating, will you take the initiative to go find out? and if you do find out that is the case, what will you do?


penny for your thoughts.. =)
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  • edited November 2009
    how about liking another girl, talking on the fone another girl and constantly bugging her.

    and then tells u
    when he realize he is wrong.. but considered not cheating.
    but he totally cheated.
    once a cheater always a cheater.
  • edited November 2009
    i draw the line at at making out (or more)
    a girl can kiss a guy in a friendly way but if her tongue is down his throat then thats the line i draw

    i've never suspected someone of cheating on me and even if i would, i would give them the benefit of a doubt, i wouldn't do anything stupid
    then again i've never been cheated on
  • edited November 2009
    I think even flirting with the intention of going further is borderline cheating. Definitely kissing, touching, etc. Ultimately if I would feel hurt, I think that's when the line is crossed.

    If I suspected my bf of cheating I would definitely take initiative to find out, but the relationship would be over by then anyway.
  • edited November 2009
    siuying;61604 said:
    in a relationship, what do you consider as cheating?
    what do you use to define whether a person has cheated?
    i would define em under emotional and physical forms
    hard to draw a line for emotional, but i guess when someone forms a bond with someone else that extends beyond 'just friends'
    physical i would draw a line past kissing
    siuying;61604 said:
    if you suspect your significant other of cheating, will you take the initiative to go find out? and if you do find out that is the case, what will you do?
    when there's smoke there's usually fire, and ya id go find out lol, things r pretty much over at this pt anyways. not a time for ignorance or giving ppl the benefit of doubt.
  • edited November 2009
    In my culture, talking to another girl is cheating let alone other things...
  • edited November 2009
    yeah.. the physical aspect was pretty much a standard answer which is understandable.. but is it all that cheating is or should be? so interesting that you brought up the emotional part imelting because my friend brought up the issue of thought betrayal.. besides the physical part she said that if her guy's last thought before he sleeps isn't on her but another then that's a form of mental cheating.. which i thought was an strange (yet fascinating) way define cheating.. but like you... i would think it would be hard to catch/draw the line with mental and emotional cheating although they still are/could be considered as cheating..

    i don't know if i would consider flirting cheating cause it could very well be one-sided.. and there's always the harmless flirting/just being friendly argument that comes onto the scene.. and it's hard to nail them on it.. unless it gets to the point of making out like bufli said.. cause that requires 2 ppl to participate..

    more thoughts/opinions?
    or stories to share? lol.. =P
  • edited November 2009
    Hope_2016;61612 said:
    In my culture, talking to another girl is cheating let alone other things...
    thats retarded...

    and how is it cheating if your last thought isn't about her
    both guys and girls think about other people from the opposite sex all the time

    i dated a girl once who was obsessive, basically if i talked to any girls i was flirting. so i pretty much wasn't allowed to go anywhere without her.no parties or camping trips with my friends. to be honest she never came out and said i couldn't go but if i did go i would get bitched at, so most of the time i would just pass. and if i went somewhere with her and needed to talk to a waitress or any other female i would have to talk in a serious tone else i was flirting with so and so...
    that was when i was young i don't tolerate that kinda bullshit these days lol

    i still think that unless its physical its not cheating... everyone has random thoughts through their head. heck they could consider sleeping with whomever but unless those thoughts materialize its not cheating IMO claiming that it is, is just overkill

    and where does porn come in?
  • edited November 2009
    in a relationship, what do you consider as cheating?
    what do you use to define whether a person has cheated?
    if you suspect your significant other of cheating, will you take the initiative to go find out? and if you do find out that is the case, what will you do?

    I am a fan of honesty and if i suspect my girlfriend of cheating for some reason I'll ask her directly. Anyways, I would consider making out w/ someone else/any type of sex as cheating. I think if my girlfriend started avoiding questions and just seemed like she was hiding something would be cause for concern. I have a zero tolerance policy with cheating. In the past, I had a girlfriend who cheated on me and I found out from someone else...it didn't end well. People should be able to restrain themselves from cheating. Being drunk is not an excuse by the way...that's lame
  • edited November 2009
    Porn does not count as cheating lol.

    It's impossible to not talk to other people which may lead to a small amount of flirting, but if you're in a relationship you should know the boundaries! If you're dating a girl and some other chick invites you to her apartment or whatever for a movie night, you should know that saying yes is a mistake. Who knows what it could lead to? Unless you're into doing two girls at the same time...then go for it.
  • edited November 2009
    mab18;61628 said:
    P If you're dating a girl and some other chick invites you to her apartment or whatever for a movie night, you should know that saying yes is a mistake. Who knows what it could lead to? Unless you're into doing two girls at the same time...then go for it.
    well context should be considered
    for example if the girl that invites you over is a childhood friend you've known for ages (then you're obv stuck in the friend zone :P) going to watch a movie is not cheating nor should your gf have a fit

    if the girl is someone who might be into you, again you can still go, as long as u respect your gf and therefore exhibit self control lol
  • edited November 2009
    bufli;61632 said:

    if the girl is someone who might be into you, again you can still go, as long as u respect your gf and therefore exhibit self control lol
    I would very much disagree here, maybe it's not cheating, but it's a bad idea and its an example of being unfaithful.

    If you are in a relationship with someone, and you know someone is into you, you should not put yourself in situations like that, as they are dangerous. I think it is really easy to fall in love with someone else, develop feelings for them, or have the same things happen to the other person.

    If someone does have feelings for you, and you are in a relationship, and do choose to hang out with them, things should be made very clear, there things cant, will not, and have no desire from yourself to happen.

    Watching porn is one thing, but when you put your relationship in jeopardy I think it basically is cheating. Its not realistic that someone is going to run off with a porn DVD or mpg and marry it, but running off with someone you know, who has feelings for you is the usual situation when cheating is involved.

    I wouldn't tolerate my boyfriend going out of his way to hang out with girls he knows have a thing for him, or accepting invitations from girls who are trying to persue things, knowing he is seeing someone anyway. If you put yourself in situations where things can happen, then it says enough right there.
  • edited November 2009
    bufli;61618 said:
    and how is it cheating if your last thought isn't about her
    both guys and girls think about other people from the opposite sex all the time
    i suppose it all comes down to how you think of the opposite sex.. there's a fine line between random thoughts about the opposite sex and the not so random thoughts.. so i guess for her.. she meant the latter when it comes to cheating of the mind..

    i agree with what randomuser said.. you shouldn't put yourself in compromising positions if you know what you're getting into.. that is not to say i undermine the concept of self control.. but things happen and they can/will happen..
  • edited November 2009
    siuying;61604 said:

    in a relationship, what do you consider as cheating?
    what do you use to define whether a person has cheated?
    if you suspect your significant other of cheating, will you take the initiative to go find out? and if you do find out that is the case, what will you do?
    - Cheating: When my boyfriend pursues another, or becomes sexually involved (mentally, emotionally, or physically) with another.

    - If I suspected, I would ask my boyfriend if he was cheating. I wouldn't snoop, because snooping makes it worse.
  • edited November 2009
    @ randomuser
    i see your point, except i disagree that its that easy to fall in love with someone else
    if that were the case i wouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone whom i through could "fall" so easily

    you seem to have a very pessimistic view of guys i guess...
    do you think that just because a girl is interested in a guy she could convince him?

    edit: and my point set 2 conditions, self control and respecting your significant other
    that means that if someone likes you and ur committed to your significant other, you make that clear to the person who's into you. i don't think its unfaithful to have friends who like you as long as u make it clear to them you don't like them in that particular way.
  • edited November 2009
    mab18;61627 said:
    In the past, I had a girlfriend who cheated on me and I found out from someone else...it didn't end well. People should be able to restrain themselves from cheating. Being drunk is not an excuse by the way...that's lame
    If you're vengeful, you could've upload a homemade amateur porn online to compensate for your girlfriend cheating, like the scenario below, that is if you have them.

    4107881893_09132c8208_o.jpg

    Just make sure she isn't under 16 though, otherwise you can be charged with possession and distribution of child pornography.

    Pertaining the pic provided, Oh yes, the guy did upload nude photos and videos of the gal in question. A lesson to everyone when they are getting jiggy with a video camera, be careful.
  • edited November 2009
    do you guys think a cheater can change?
  • edited November 2009
    Depends on the reason they cheated in the first place.

    It takes two to make a relationship go wrong--sometimes people who cheat do it because they are lacking something from the relationship, but are too scared to bring it up.
  • edited November 2009
    ^ would your opinion change, if say, u got involved with someone who has cheated in the past
    or to take that pt further, someone who has a history of it, beyond the 'one time mistake'
  • edited November 2009
    mrbubbles;61641 said:
    If you're vengeful, you could've upload a homemade amateur porn online to compensate for your girlfriend cheating, like the scenario below, that is if you have them.
    LOL nice. I was really angry to find out from someone other than my girlfriend...it was a few years ago so then I might have done something like this, but all I did was dump all her stuff on top of her car one night and not really talk to her after that.

    I agree with what some people have said with not putting yourself in a compromising position if you have a significant other. But I don't understand why people are saying it's always bad to have thoughts of other girls/guys. There's been a bunch of times when I've been with my gf, and I've seen an attractive girl walk by. But I don't say you know "holy crap, look at that girls legs W0W", out loud. I may think that but wouldn't say it out loud unless I wanted to cause a problem.

    People should still be a little free to have their own thoughts and withold some information that doesn't need to be said.
  • edited November 2009
    I failed at quoting mr bubbles...
  • edited November 2009
    no worries.. fixed! =)
  • edited November 2009
    AWESOME
  • edited November 2009
    mrbubbles;61641 said:
    If you're vengeful, you could've upload a homemade amateur porn online to compensate for your girlfriend cheating, like the scenario below, that is if you have them.

    4107881893_09132c8208_o.jpg

    Just make sure she isn't under 16 though, otherwise you can be charged with possession and distribution of child pornography.

    Pertaining the pic provided, Oh yes, the guy did upload nude photos and videos of the gal in question. A lesson to everyone when they are getting jiggy with a video camera, be careful.
    Link?
  • edited November 2009
    bufli;61638 said:
    @ randomuser
    i see your point, except i disagree that its that easy to fall in love with someone else
    if that were the case i wouldn't want to be in a relationship with someone whom i through could "fall" so easily

    you seem to have a very pessimistic view of guys i guess...
    do you think that just because a girl is interested in a guy she could convince him?

    edit: and my point set 2 conditions, self control and respecting your significant other
    that means that if someone likes you and ur committed to your significant other, you make that clear to the person who's into you. i don't think its unfaithful to have friends who like you as long as u make it clear to them you don't like them in that particular way.
    I think it is really easy to fall in love with someone else, you start spending time with them, even on a plutonic level, and start liking things about then, and eventually, voila, you have feelings for them. I don't think all people will have this happen, but it is a risk you are taking. At the same time, it is not that easy, if you don't put yourself in the situation to begin with.

    One point you can't deny is doing something in the heat of the moment, its very easy to get caught up in something physical with not much thought to it, so is putting yourself in positions where this may happen worth it? Have you ever seen all the movies and shows, where someone plants a kiss on someone else without them consenting and then someone sees and thinks they are both cheating?

    I also think girls and guys are equally vulnerable to this, not just guys. I'm talking from experience and things I've heard and seen first hand. I can guarantee if the shoe was on the other foot, it would not be okay. Would you like if your girlfriend was always hanging out with some guy who has feelings for her, or say an ex boyfriend? If it doesn't bother you, you are quite laid back, but there is potential for things to happen there.
  • edited November 2009
    All I know is that cheating isn't a very good idea...I mean, why waste all this time you've spent just cause there's a tiny problem you have. Just cause of that, you risk losing everything you've worked for away. You risk expulsion, public harassment, and defamation. You should never cheat whether it's on homework or a quiz/exam.
  • edited November 2009
    Sad Kid;61742 said:
    All I know is that cheating isn't a very good idea...I mean, why waste all this time you've spent just cause there's a tiny problem you have. Just cause of that, you risk losing everything you've worked for away. You risk expulsion, public harassment, and defamation. You should never cheat whether it's on homework or a quiz/exam.
    Next time you have a test regarding reading comprehension, your best option would be to cheat.
  • edited November 2009
    randomuser;61706 said:
    I think it is really easy to fall in love with someone else, you start spending time with them, even on a plutonic level, and start liking things about then, and eventually, voila, you have feelings for them. I don't think all people will have this happen, but it is a risk you are taking. At the same time, it is not that easy, if you don't put yourself in the situation to begin with.
    i guess that could happen BUT it all depends on the individual...
    i'm pretty sure most people are self aware and know this about themselves
    and can judge whether the situation will work against them
    randomuser;61706 said:

    One point you can't deny is doing something in the heat of the moment, its very easy to get caught up in something physical with not much thought to it, so is putting yourself in positions where this may happen worth it? Have you ever seen all the movies and shows, where someone plants a kiss on someone else without them consenting and then someone sees and thinks they are both cheating?
    "in the heat of the moment" - this is up to the individual and their self control
    as for the other peoples opinion on what they see, your right there that can back fire if the person is insecure and does not trust their significant other.
    randomuser;61706 said:

    I also think girls and guys are equally vulnerable to this, not just guys. I'm talking from experience and things I've heard and seen first hand. I can guarantee if the shoe was on the other foot, it would not be okay. Would you like if your girlfriend was always hanging out with some guy who has feelings for her, or say an ex boyfriend? If it doesn't bother you, you are quite laid back, but there is potential for things to happen there.
    i am also talking from experience and although i admit your points are good and true for some people, i do think that its mostly over reacting

    for the record my ex chilled/chills with a guy who likes her all the time. and while we were dating i didn't care one bit because i know she wouldn't cheat. my simple logic was, if she liked him she would've done something with him before she met me lol
    the girl b4 her same deal, she ditched her bf for me. while we were dating she still chilled with her ex, again i didn't care. i actually felt kinda bad for the dude lol

    i personally wouldn't restrict my gf on who she could hang out with, id give her my opinion but thats about it. its her life, her choices.
  • edited November 2009
    looking online at a dating website and making a profile stating he is single and looking for an "activity partner". That's what my douchebag of an ex did a couple years ago. Nobody told him to be so stupid and forget to log out of that site and let me use the computer.
  • edited November 2009
    hahahah what a douche!
  • edited November 2009
    hmmm...so suddenly cyber cheating is also a form of cheating? :confused:

    the general impression i'm getting from the responses here is that it's the physical aspect that's problematic.. and this element is absent in cyber cheating.. unless they get together outside the realms of the internet...

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