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In The News: Octopussy

randomuser
edited February 2009 in General
What does everyone think of Octopussy, the women who just gave birth to 8 kids, in addition to her 6 children.

I find it really disturbing that anyone would want anymore than one or two kids, let alone choose to have 6-8 more after having 6, as a single mother with no income.

Not only is it disturbing she cant support them in anyway, multiple-child birth is dangerous, for someone to purposely have 'preemies'.

I got nothing against single moms, but this is over the top.
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  • Student0667
    edited February 2009
    Yes, I found it disturbing that a single mother would have eight additional kids even though she probably have little to no mean to support her existing six kids, let alone the additional eight. From what I gathered, she is living on food stamps even before the eight kids.

    Her defenders will probably argue that her recent TV and Book deal will probably be enough to support both her and her fourteen childrens. Seriously, I want to know why she would have that many kids if she can't even support her existing six WITHOUT food stamps.

    But hey, this is not the People's Republic of China. In the United States of America, the land of the free, home of the brave, people are allowed to have as many kids as they want. If they are bad parents, Child Service will take the the kids away and place them in foster home at tax payer's expense.
  • randomuser
    edited February 2009
    If they are bad parents, the children won't necessarily be taken away.

    China is onto something there, that rule should spread around the world to some other places...
  • IVTIVT
    edited February 2009
    randomuser;47470 said:
    If they are bad parents, the children won't necessarily be taken away.

    China is onto something there, that rule should spread around the world to some other places...
    but a declining birth rate can be bad too. Eg Japan. The population is aging and they can't get enough workers, so they pay women to have babies. A good balance would be ideal
  • Student0667
    edited February 2009
    randomuser;47470 said:
    China is onto something there, that rule should spread around the world to some other places...
    You do realize that the Chinese One Child Policy is having enormous negative social consequences right now, right? Off the top of my head, sociologists often cite the Little Emperor Syndrome and disporportionate Male/ Female ration as some of the negative social consequences.
  • Guest1
    edited February 2009
    ^The disproportionate Male/Female ration kinda helps along with the purpose of decreasing the population though, right? Since less people can have children and they still can only have one child the population's going to go down more quickly than one would have thought.

    But I agree with the negative social consequences.
  • JayDub
    edited February 2009
    My actual first response was the James Bond movie.
  • Morro
    edited February 2009
    Child abuse, pure and simple.
  • lazyGUY
    edited February 2009
    well shes gonna have taxpayers helping her out...
    but its obvious she wasnt expecting 8 children when she decided to get all fertilized lol, 7 wouldn't have been as bad as 14
    I wonder how shes handling it though, newborns are sposed to be breastfed every 2 hours, and i cant imagine her being able to handle 8 different feeding schedules even if shes using formula, and all that on top of another 6 children
  • Kingsley
    edited February 2009
    kinda reminds me of this skit that this comic did way back who's like: you should have certain requirements to have kids. Being a parent is themost important job in the world, yet it is the one that comes with the least amount of requirements.

    ... You really should have a license in order to have kids! @ least be able to pass some kinda test!

    lol... the summerheaven comment reminded me of russell peters: sooner or later, the world is going to be a highly bred mixture of Chinese and Indian, they have the two largest populations in the world!
  • randomuser
    edited February 2009
    IVT;47475 said:
    but a declining birth rate can be bad too. Eg Japan. The population is aging and they can't get enough workers, so they pay women to have babies. A good balance would be ideal
    Look at the situation we are in now :teeth: any jobs us north americans can get are a good thing. Looking at the disparity in the world with poverty and low paying jobs, how does this hurt, maybe it encourages immigration? Although japan is clearly not good for anyone who doesn't speak japanese, there isn't a shortage of workers in the world. If societies don't have enough people to fill jobs, then they need to find a way to adapt and use foreign workers.

    On the balance of everything right now, the world could use less people. The world isn't currently in a place where there is a lack of people for jobs.
    Student0667;47479 said:
    You do realize that the Chinese One Child Policy is having enormous negative social consequences right now, right? Off the top of my head, sociologists often cite the Little Emperor Syndrome and disporportionate Male/ Female ration as some of the negative social consequences.
    Do you realize the enormous social consequences of over population in china and india right now? We're going to be having more than social consequences when the population of the world reaches critical numbers. :zip:
  • randomuser
    edited February 2009
    lazyGUY;47486 said:
    well shes gonna have taxpayers helping her out...
    but its obvious she wasnt expecting 8 children when she decided to get all fertilized lol, 7 wouldn't have been as bad as 14
    I wonder how shes handling it though, newborns are sposed to be breastfed every 2 hours, and i cant imagine her being able to handle 8 different feeding schedules even if shes using formula, and all that on top of another 6 children
    All of her children were born premature and are living in the hospital with the aid of machines and round the clock care.

    Even one of her children in an interview said she isn't looking forward to them coming home, because there will be so much crying.

    -----

    Even further, this woman had birth defects with three of her children so far, and irresponsibly decided to have the other eight implanted, knowing her previous sperm donor (which was used again) gave her birth defects in 50% of her conceptions (the contribution of his and her genes was clearly not great).
  • Morro
    edited February 2009
    We don't need to be discouraging people from breeding in North America. We have plenty of room. There is NO overpopulation crisis in North America. There is one in China, India, a few other places. Not here.

    Here, we need to stop certain groups from breeding; namely, those who can not take care of their fucking kids. I can tell you how we could fix 95% of all our social problems in just 2 generations. It would never be done, but it would work. Here it is:
    If you want welfare, you must be on chemical birth-control. Male chemical birth-control now exists, so it's not a sexist policy. If you want to have kids, get off welfare. If you can't get off welfare? NO MORE KIDS FOR YOU.

    Within 50 years we would be living in a God damned paradise.
  • randomuser
    edited February 2009
    That is true, from what I read North Americas reproduction rates are actually going down.

    My claim was meant in a more generalistic claim of humanity as a whole, but I guess those areas are the ones that are disproportionately over populating the planet.

    This woman also justified having her children, because she could not bare to live with herself by discarding the embryos, god wanted her to carry them to conception, I'm assuming she thought it would be murder to not have the emrbyos.
  • Student0667
    edited February 2009
    summerheaven;47480 said:
    ^The disproportionate Male/Female ration kinda helps along with the purpose of decreasing the population though, right? Since less people can have children and they still can only have one child the population's going to go down more quickly than one would have thought.
    Actually, I was hoping to point you guys to a discussion of why there is a disporportionate Male/ Female ratio. In a normal situation, the Male and Female ration should be roughtly 1:1. However, in the People's Republic of China, it is 1.2:1, or 120 boys for 100 girls. Even if we take into consideration that one or two of them will be homosexual or lesbian or undatable (ex: me), that is still a huge imbalance.

    But yeah, having a disporportionate Male/ Female ration would help with reducing overall population. However, this raised a few problems...

    1.) Can the single child support both his parents when they get old? Not that I am generalizing, but social security in China is non-existant and most people can barely make enough to support themselves. What is going to happen to the parents if the kid turn out to be a failure?

    2.) What if the kid died in his or her teen or late teen years? One of the consequence of the Schiuan Earthquake was that a number in a generation of kids was wiped out. Because of the one child policy, many of the kids killed are single child. What are parents going to do now that their future is buried beneath a pile of rubble? Have another one? That's what those that haven't went past their fertility age are doing right now. What about those that are past that?

    Regarding the Little Emperor Syndrome, I always question this theory because many, in fact most, of my friends in H.K are single child as well and they turn up perfectly ok.
    Morro;47484 said:
    Child abuse, pure and simple.
    Like Lazy said, she is living on tax payer's money right now. The women, who I recently found out is called Nadya, is not wealthy or even well off. Nadya is a student and her parents are filing for bankrupcy. There is no way Nadya could have supported her 14 kids, even with government aid.
    randomuser;47494 said:
    Do you realize the enormous social consequences of over population in china and india right now?
    There are consequences to everything Randomuser. Look, it is very hard for a country who have a tradition of having MANY kids to change their habit over night. Things need to be worked out and experimented with.
    We're going to be having more than social consequences when the population of the world reaches critical numbers. :zip:
    I know, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalyse is going to have a field day.
  • Guest1
    edited February 2009
    Student0667;47509 said:
    Actually, I was hoping to point you guys to a discussion of why there is a disporportionate Male/ Female ratio. In a normal situation, the Male and Female ration should be roughtly 1:1. However, in the People's Republic of China, it is 1.2:1, or 120 boys for 100 girls. Even if we take into consideration that one or two of them will be homosexual or lesbian or undatable (ex: me), that is still a huge imbalance.

    But yeah, having a disporportionate Male/ Female ration would help with reducing overall population. However, this raised a few problems...

    1.) Can the single child support both his parents when they get old? Not that I am generalizing, but social security in China is non-existant and most people can barely make enough to support themselves. What is going to happen to the parents if the kid turn out to be a failure?

    2.) What if the kid died in his or her teen or late teen years? One of the consequence of the Schiuan Earthquake was that a number in a generation of kids was wiped out. Because of the one child policy, many of the kids killed are single child. What are parents going to do now that their future is buried beneath a pile of rubble? Have another one? That's what those that haven't went past their fertility age are doing right now. What about those that are past that?

    Regarding the Little Emperor Syndrome, I always question this theory because many, in fact most, of my friends in H.K are single child as well and they turn up perfectly ok.
    When i went to China this winter I went to a University and I thought it was an all-boys university! Turns out most parents don't let girls go past high school. So traditional, even now.
    I also saw that guys were more "friendly" than the ones here in Canada. They had thier arms over each other's shoulders and whatnot. I thought they were gay at first, but it turns out it was common, haha.
    Also, at that university they sold "being single is okay!" and "i'm single and looking" t-shirts, hoodies and water bottles. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. That's just hilarious.

    I've never head of the Little Emperor Syndrome until you mentioned it. I wikipedia-ed it after reading your post. I'm pretty white-washed and a majority of my friends are white-washed/born in Canada/moved to Canada under the age of 10 and can speak English well so I haven't had many encounters with people like that.
    However, Hong Kong is different than China, it didn't become a part of China since 1997 and even then it's very different. The national language of Mainland China is Mandarin and they used simplified Chinese while in Hong Kong, they speak Cantonese and use traditional chinese. And the one child policy does not apply to Hong Kong. Also, my friend who is born in China needs a visa to go to Hong Kong O_o; Even though it's a part of China now... :confused:

    But in contrast to you, I know a person from Hong Kong who may have the LES and he has a younger sister (so he's not an only child) and he came to Canada when he was 6 =T

    Also, when I was in China I noticed a LOT of young, elementary school kids taking the bus alone!! I was so surprised! They looked like 1st-3rd graders. My sister is nearly 10 and she STILL has to be picked up by my mom or brother and she isn't allowed to stay at home alone.
  • Student0667
    edited February 2009
    Regarding Nadya, I have heard that she have some sort of medical issue that causes her to produce more eggs than normal people. I guess this Octoruplets is unplanned, GREAT...
    summerheaven;47520 said:
    However, Hong Kong is different than China, it didn't become a part of China since 1997 and even then it's very different.
    Blast, I was hoping that you wouldn't catch this fault in my argument...
    But in contrast to you, I know a person from Hong Kong who may have the LES and he has a younger sister (so he's not an only child) and he came to Canada when he was 6 =T
    I am not an expert on LES, however, it probably just his personality. In fact, I sometimes display symptoms of LES on a bad day. Haha.
    Also, when I was in China I noticed a LOT of young, elementary school kids taking the bus alone!! I was so surprised! They looked like 1st-3rd graders.
    I am surprise too. When I went to Zhongshan a few summers ago, my relatives made the place sounds all dangerous and scary. They were like, "ohh, watch yourself, there are pickpockets everywhere." Don't go anywhere alone, there are kidnappers everywhere. But then, as most of you may know from my previous threads, my relative are retarded.

    But then, if the kids lived there their whole life and do this routine on a daily basis, then I guess them taking the bus is no different than us taking the bus up here on a daily basis.
  • randomuser
    edited February 2009
    Student0667;47509 said:

    There are consequences to everything Randomuser. Look, it is very hard for a country who have a tradition of having MANY kids to change their habit over night. Things need to be worked out and experimented with.
    I don't think its a matter of experimentation or working with, people are dying of starvation, thus, stop bringing so many children into that world you cannot support, is my supposition. It's not an easy task to fix with laws, its just something that should be common sense.
  • Agentbob
    edited February 2009
    I've read about this.She has some mental issues and has some kind of void where she fills it with by treating her vagina like a clown car. Probably the crave for maternity or something. She's a virgin too by the way, and is supported by her mom. Her mom apparently withdrew her support and kicked her out of the house.

    She's going to be leeching off of the taxpayers, and the doctors responsible for this needs to get his license revoked and banned from his practice forever.
  • randomuser
    edited February 2009
    She apparently wants to finish her masters to be a clinician...

    Yes, you are going to work a full time job lady to support your kids...but wait, who watches the kids when you're at work? Will she pay for daycare...how much would 16 kids to be watched cost..hmmm
  • online predatoronline predator
    edited February 2009
    In Civilization (my history, social sciences, and economics class btw), if you're city has a large population and you can't support it with a good culture, your city shrinks. On the other hand, keep your people happy and you can use the size of your population to increase all sorts of trade.
  • online predatoronline predator
    edited February 2009
    randomuser;47531 said:
    ...how much would 16 kids to be watched cost..hmmm
    Arabs use their children to pay off their debts. 16 = CHACHING
  • mrbubbles
    edited February 2009
    People like her should be executed. The externality cost of her child bearing is enormous and provides no social utility to society.
  • Student0667
    edited February 2009
    Here is something I put together after reading some of you guy's comment...

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    Based on...

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  • imelting
    edited February 2009
    Morro;47498 said:
    Here, we need to stop certain groups from breeding; namely, those who can not take care of their fucking kids.
    reminds me of the movie 'idiocracy'

    movie was terrible btw, but the idea behind it was on the money

    "A narrator explains that natural selection is indifferent to intelligence, so that in a society in which intelligence is systematically debased, stupid people easily out-breed the intelligent, creating, over the course of five centuries, an irremediably dysfunctional society. Demographic superiority favours those least likely to advance society. Consequently, the children of the educated élites are drowned in a sea of sexually promiscuous, illiterate, alcoholic, proletarian peers."

    ^just copy paste from imdb
  • mrbubbles
    edited February 2009
    imelting;47563 said:
    Sexually promiscuous, illiterate, alcoholic, proletarian peers.
    Sounds like a lot of college students out there.
  • Morro
    edited February 2009
    Idiocracy had an awesome intro, but was shit from then on.
  • vonnie
    edited February 2009
    Well, it's not that face that nobody should have that many kids.
    I remember watching TLC shows about some crazy Christian families had like 13 kids... but they were alll natural pregnancies, homeschooled and raised in a good environment.


    But
    1) Single Mother
    2) Unnatural conception

    Both her 6 kids + 8 kids were in vitro right?

    Some women shouldn't be allowed to give birth.
  • xxk1nky
    edited February 2009
    I thought it was selfish of her to have the octuplets, especially after having six other children AND being a single mother. How the hell is she going to have the capacity and income to support her children? It's outrageous and immature, on her part. Her thinking is unrealistic and I think this was just her 15 minutes of fame. What a sad, sad story.
  • randomuser
    edited February 2009
    oh get this, she DENIED having work done to her lips as well

    NadyaSuleman.jpg
  • xxk1nky
    edited February 2009
    AND now she's asking for donations from the public, even though she stated she didn't need help from the public.

    http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

    What a sad cry for help. Sad on many levels.

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