Well, I think theres a big difference between something like Dungeons and Dragons, WoW, and CS, which are past times for the most part, and a rap culture which many embrace in their day to day life. I wouldn't exactly consider these cultures, in their pervasion of ones life, outside of the game, as much as rap.
My first day at SFU was the anime con, so clearly it does extend into the real world somewhat, but I'd feel a lot more safe in an Anime Con than I would around a bunch of people listening to rap music.
You should really see what has happened in the UK to youth, it cant be entirely blamed on rap music of course, but you'd have to see it to believe it. I'm not making the claim that rap music causes people to do things, but the culture isnt exactly an environment of law abiding behaviour.
Well, I think theres a big difference between something like Dungeons and Dragons, WoW, and CS, which are past times for the most part, and a rap culture which many embrace in their day to day life. I wouldn't exactly consider these cultures, in their pervasion of ones life, outside of the game, as much as rap.
My first day at SFU was the anime con, so clearly it does extend into the real world somewhat, but I'd feel a lot more safe in an Anime Con than I would around a bunch of people listening to rap music. .
Whoa, you're an anime fan? This is a surprising turn.
Yes, it is you little weasel, it's just that you've been listening to so much of it that you're practically desensitized to its damaging effects :omg: :teeth:
Let me tell you something: all rap music creates a degree of strain in those who take the shit seriously or in those who listen to it almost exclusively(e.g. you being a prime example of each category :teeth: ). The problem arises because the music appeals especially to those who usually don't have the means to obtain the material objects that are depicted so glamorously in the lyrics and videos (e.g. carz, rimz, hoez, drugz, ice, expensive champagne etc.). What the fuck do you think is going to happen when you don't have much wealth and when you're continually exposed to imagery of objects that to you are unobtainable? Fucking criminality, that's what! Banks will be robbed, drugs will be sold, and violent muggings will take place. Sure, some artists have had meaningful songs, but even those artists have succumbed to the image of the gangsta rapper (take 2Pac and Notorious B.I.G. for example).
So don't be telling me that rap isn't detrimental. The music corrupts those who exclusively listen to it, and it especially corrupts the already corruptible (i.e. you).
And another thing: have you been to a fucking rap show/concert? The artist you pay to see is like up there with at least 10 other unheard of niggas rappin' hopelessly about God knows what (since it's so indistinguishable). That shit doesn't require talent, those boys are all about fuckin' manpower :teeth:
If you want to listen to some real music, listen to some Guns N' Roses :shade: : [youtube]siBoLc9vxac[/youtube] 23 million fucking views = eternally unfuckwitable!
Well, I think theres a big difference between something like Dungeons and Dragons, WoW, and CS, which are past times for the most part, and a rap culture which many embrace in their day to day life. I wouldn't exactly consider these cultures, in their pervasion of ones life, outside of the game, as much as rap.
My first day at SFU was the anime con, so clearly it does extend into the real world somewhat, but I'd feel a lot more safe in an Anime Con than I would around a bunch of people listening to rap music.
You should really see what has happened in the UK to youth, it cant be entirely blamed on rap music of course, but you'd have to see it to believe it. I'm not making the claim that rap music causes people to do things, but the culture isnt exactly an environment of law abiding behaviour.
To be fair, I'm sure some rap music listeners would feel more safe on the streets of Compton than in an Anime Con
But to echo Agent Bob's sentiment, I too am surprised.
Insatiable, I completely agree with you and actually hold the same regard for violent video games. I swear, people that play them are becoming desensitized to blood and gore. Maybe in real life, they don't have access to guns but you can use knives and blunt objects in the games and those are available to anybody! These games are training the next generation of blood thirsty criminals! They are detrimental to the minds of all who play them exclusively (which is basically a majority!)
Be careful now: I wasn't implying that rap has violent lyrics and that somehow these violent lyrics affect the mindset of its listeners. Rather, I was contending that the imagery and materialsim presented in rap music may cause people to feel frustrated about the fact that they don't have certain possessions or that they don't maintain certain lifestyles. Violent lyrics may or may not contribute to violence, but if they somehow do, the corruptible minds I spoke of earlier would certainly be more affected by them (y'all know who falls into that category :wink:). Anyways, the way to make up for the aforementioned frustration is through potentially illegitimate means. This sort of phenomenon is definitely more prevalent in the US, but it certainly exists here in Canada among adolescent males. I mean think about it: the more you see and listen, the more of an expectation you impose upon yourself to live up to that particular image by whatever means accessible to you.
randomuser;37278 said:
I'm going to take your post, and make a submission to the department for the next special topics course in CRIM
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Morro;37283 said:
That said, I can't tell if Insatiable was being funny or not. Hmmm...
Sometimes I can't even tell, and that scares the shit outta me :omg:
But if you must know, I suppose there is a grain of truth in every little facetious outburst.
some positive hip-hop songs: 2Pac dear mama. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcloTmvTeA "" Changes " " Keep Ya Head Up Like 2Pac said: "He wasn't trying to give the CURE to solve the problems. He was presenting the problems... and sooner or later SOMEBODy is going to come and fix the problems because they will realize it" . Basically how can ANYONE fix anything, if they do not identify what the problem is ?
whoa whoa whoa, i wasnt a participant in anime con
more it was my first time going up the mountain, not that theres anything wrong with that, i thought it was quite entertaining, and thought campus was always bustling with energy, that bubble sure burst though
Insatiable, I completely agree with you and actually hold the same regard for violent video games. I swear, people that play them are becoming desensitized to blood and gore. Maybe in real life, they don't have access to guns but you can use knives and blunt objects in the games and those are available to anybody! These games are training the next generation of blood thirsty criminals! They are detrimental to the minds of all who play them exclusively (which is basically a majority!)
This is why I'm going to stick to Super Mario Brothers on N64. Now that is a real game. It may have been made before I was born, but at least it doesn't corrupt my mind!
Dang. Thread derailled nicely. Ironically, I started the derailment by asking for concert details.
Besides the sociological problems/benefits of popular music, it should be realised first and foremost music is a business venture, everything else is secondary.
Musicians create cult followings, a highly profitable marketing tactic to recruit more followers.
Never heard of any of those songs titles. Also never heard of The Streets, Flobots, T-Pain, and don't know a single song from the rest.
Insatiable;37277 said:
If you want to listen to some real music, listen to some Guns N' Roses :shade: :
That's not real music. GnR is all hype. Late 80s and early 90s rock scene is pretty much GnR and their mindless followers. This is a person speaking as a fan of GnR, not a hater. That is a kickass song, by far one of the best works of the original GnR crew.
That is a kickass song, by far one of the best works of the original GnR crew.
Those are duplicitous statements: you can't decry the music and say it's all hype while at the same time admitting that that particular song is worthy; either that or I'm a little confused :confused:
I wouldn't say I'm a follower of the group, but just because a band is surrounded by hype doesn't mean that the band is incapable of producing good music.
mrbubbles;37318 said:
Late 80s and early 90s rock scene is pretty much GnR and their mindless followers.
I beg to differ: what about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Mötley Crüe, Metallica or Nirvana? Those are all bands that were around and achieved much of their success in that era. I suppose neither of us is old enough to appreciate the music back then for what it was, but this is to point out that there were plenty of excellent bands in that particular era, not merely Guns N' Roses.
ahah lol... i went with my friend, but it was amazing nonetheless! yeah, i dunno about that chick now... we sorta like never spoke to eachother again after she said no to me, and i basically took it as "it's a free concert for you, why the f wouldn't you go??" dunno...
& yeah, @ randomuser. i was making a comment about how in the list of songs i posted for you guys, there was 2Pac dear mama, a song about how his mother raised him and his sister. you should give it a listen! (b4 condemning rap music to "bling and drugs"? which i find the comment to be disgusting. cuz that's not what rap is about. it's pretty poetic , alot of it. and it's how they say stuff, not what they say alotta the times!! people in general should get into a kind of music and research it before making conclusions!
From Axl Rose: "I have a different physical constitution and different mindset about drugs than anybody I've known in Hollywood, because I don't abstain from doing drugs, but I won't allow myself to have a fuckin' habit. I won't allow it."[37
Now WHO SAYS THAT??? That is from your favorite band Guns 'n Roses, which i quote you said is REAL music.
You have basically said that rap music makes people to yearn for wealth. bla bla bla. i read your posts! YET YOU SUSCRIBE to this kind of nonsense. Your whole argument fell apart.
i didnt at any point claim rap music was about doing drugs, did you actually quote that from my post? and can you claim that a lot of rap is poetic? a lot of the stuff i hear is vulgar and or violent, a lot, not all though
and i need not do research to be able to tell that a vast amount of it is about having too much money, trying to get money as the goal of life, complaining about haters, complaining about being rich, talking about hoes or fags, because thats all i see on tv and hear on the radio, although im not exposed to a lot
ill concede that not all rap is like that, but as one person mentioned, most mainstream rap is about that
"and i need not do research"... 'you lost already'.
randomuser;37255 said:
I'm just curious lazy, as I do not listen to much rap willingly, are there any rap songs that are not about the following:
Haters and Fags, how great it is to have so much money and bling, complaining about having too much money and bling, living in the ghetto (although the person doesnt anymore), Pimps and Hoes and having their dick sucked, Going to the Club
again, please take a look at this first:
kingsleymore;37298 said:
some positive hip-hop songs: 2Pac dear mama. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcloTmvTeA "" Changes " " Keep Ya Head Up Like 2Pac said: "He wasn't trying to give the CURE to solve the problems. He was presenting the problems... and sooner or later SOMEBODy is going to come and fix the problems because they will realize it" . Basically how can ANYONE fix anything, if they do not identify what the problem is ?
First you claim I said something about drugs, which was not the case, and if you're going to quote me read my words. "I dont listen to much rap willingly". I've seen and heard enough in clubs and on TV. Did I say all rap was about bad things? No, did I make a claim that a lot of mainstream rap is, yes.
I also conceeded there was some rap that isn't about that I mentioned.
Did you actually read a word I even said? Before you get all defencive with and attack me at least have the proper ammunition.
From Axl Rose: "I have a different physical constitution and different mindset about drugs than anybody I've known in Hollywood, because I don't abstain from doing drugs, but I won't allow myself to have a fuckin' habit. I won't allow it."[37
Now WHO SAYS THAT??? That is from your favorite band Guns 'n Roses, which i quote you said is REAL music.
You have basically said that rap music makes people to yearn for wealth. bla bla bla. i read your posts! YET YOU SUSCRIBE to this kind of nonsense. Your whole argument fell apart.
it's ok man, we all know you like terrible music, don't bring one of the greatest song writers of our time in this discussion of how terrible Alicia Keys is...
are there any rap songs that are not about the following:
Haters and Fags, how great it is to have so much money and bling, complaining about having too much money and bling, living in the ghetto (although the person doesnt anymore), Pimps and Hoes and having their dick sucked, Going to the Club
then i gave you a list of rap songs that DO have a positive message and are NOT about those things.
NOW you have changed your argument to:
randomuser;37513 said:
but as one person mentioned, most mainstream rap is about that
Okay, please continue to ignore the points I make, and take and use my quotes out of context.
I acknowledged your list? What more do you want me to do?
I asked a legimiate question at one point about whether all rap was about that, people gave me an answer and provided me with rap songs that were not about that. I conceeded that point. Why are you still arguing this concept that I'm not fighting about? I don't believe all rap music is about negativity, I belive some is, in fact a lot of mainstream stuff is. Can I state that any clearer to you, if so let me know.
Also, you continue to ignore my retaliation about you saying I said things about drugs, and saying it 'disgusts' you, which I never did. I've never even heard anything about drugs in a rap song, thats more of a house / techno / rock thing.
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My first day at SFU was the anime con, so clearly it does extend into the real world somewhat, but I'd feel a lot more safe in an Anime Con than I would around a bunch of people listening to rap music.
You should really see what has happened in the UK to youth, it cant be entirely blamed on rap music of course, but you'd have to see it to believe it. I'm not making the claim that rap music causes people to do things, but the culture isnt exactly an environment of law abiding behaviour.
But to echo Agent Bob's sentiment, I too am surprised.
But if you must know, I suppose there is a grain of truth in every little facetious outburst.
and lastly.. mario is awesome!!! :shade:
2Pac dear mama. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcloTmvTeA
"" Changes
" " Keep Ya Head Up
Like 2Pac said: "He wasn't trying to give the CURE to solve the problems. He was presenting the problems... and sooner or later SOMEBODy is going to come and fix the problems because they will realize it" . Basically how can ANYONE fix anything, if they do not identify what the problem is ?
Bone thugs Crossroads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpmr8Shy_UA
Bone thugs : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19_c58yNYVw
nelly: self esteem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4emqAngavw
more it was my first time going up the mountain, not that theres anything wrong with that, i thought it was quite entertaining, and thought campus was always bustling with energy, that bubble sure burst though
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Besides the sociological problems/benefits of popular music, it should be realised first and foremost music is a business venture, everything else is secondary.
Musicians create cult followings, a highly profitable marketing tactic to recruit more followers. Never heard of any of those songs titles. Also never heard of The Streets, Flobots, T-Pain, and don't know a single song from the rest. That's not real music. GnR is all hype. Late 80s and early 90s rock scene is pretty much GnR and their mindless followers. This is a person speaking as a fan of GnR, not a hater. That is a kickass song, by far one of the best works of the original GnR crew.
I wouldn't say I'm a follower of the group, but just because a band is surrounded by hype doesn't mean that the band is incapable of producing good music. I beg to differ: what about Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Mötley Crüe, Metallica or Nirvana? Those are all bands that were around and achieved much of their success in that era. I suppose neither of us is old enough to appreciate the music back then for what it was, but this is to point out that there were plenty of excellent bands in that particular era, not merely Guns N' Roses.
and just wanted to add: THE ALICIA KEYS CONCERT WAS AMAZING.
what, just because im a female im in womans studies :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
you may be banned from their common room but you can go to their offices in the AQ and ask :teeth:
& yeah, @ randomuser. i was making a comment about how in the list of songs i posted for you guys, there was 2Pac dear mama, a song about how his mother raised him and his sister. you should give it a listen! (b4 condemning rap music to "bling and drugs"? which i find the comment to be disgusting. cuz that's not what rap is about. it's pretty poetic , alot of it. and it's how they say stuff, not what they say alotta the times!! people in general should get into a kind of music and research it before making conclusions!
From Axl Rose: "I have a different physical constitution and different mindset about drugs than anybody I've known in Hollywood, because I don't abstain from doing drugs, but I won't allow myself to have a fuckin' habit. I won't allow it."[37
Now WHO SAYS THAT??? That is from your favorite band Guns 'n Roses, which i quote you said is REAL music.
You have basically said that rap music makes people to yearn for wealth. bla bla bla. i read your posts! YET YOU SUSCRIBE to this kind of nonsense. Your whole argument fell apart.
and i need not do research to be able to tell that a vast amount of it is about having too much money, trying to get money as the goal of life, complaining about haters, complaining about being rich, talking about hoes or fags, because thats all i see on tv and hear on the radio, although im not exposed to a lot
ill concede that not all rap is like that, but as one person mentioned, most mainstream rap is about that
First you claim I said something about drugs, which was not the case, and if you're going to quote me read my words. "I dont listen to much rap willingly". I've seen and heard enough in clubs and on TV. Did I say all rap was about bad things? No, did I make a claim that a lot of mainstream rap is, yes.
I also conceeded there was some rap that isn't about that I mentioned.
Did you actually read a word I even said? Before you get all defencive with and attack me at least have the proper ammunition.
NOW you have changed your argument to: ?
......:confused:
I acknowledged your list? What more do you want me to do?
I asked a legimiate question at one point about whether all rap was about that, people gave me an answer and provided me with rap songs that were not about that. I conceeded that point. Why are you still arguing this concept that I'm not fighting about? I don't believe all rap music is about negativity, I belive some is, in fact a lot of mainstream stuff is. Can I state that any clearer to you, if so let me know.
Also, you continue to ignore my retaliation about you saying I said things about drugs, and saying it 'disgusts' you, which I never did. I've never even heard anything about drugs in a rap song, thats more of a house / techno / rock thing.
Music would be no where if drugs never existed