Women vs. Religion? That's a difficult argument, since each different religion has a different view point on the role of women. The pagan belief celebrates womanhood. But I think you're trying to say Women vs. Christianity.
Sexism would still exist without religion, especially with the intellectual revolution and the renaissance. The female sex came to be proven to be the weaker sex biologically. And sexism in the modern sense has been centered around biological sexism rather than religious sexism.
I agree that religion is still very much influential, even in government--but not in Canada. Canada is much too multi-cultural for that. Major Christian-themed political parties are found in the States. And there's no way to separate religious beliefs from our laws, as most of these laws are derived from the ancient beliefs. But at the same time, there have been many changes made to laws according to changing values of society. Equality of women and all other types of equality have been in our constitution since the 20th century now. Sexism only exists nowadays as personal beliefs--it's even difficult to find in Western Christianity.
Heh, Randomuser, just be glad you are Canadian than anything else. I grew up in Taiwan and as a girl in elementary school, we HAD to wear dresses. It was the dress code for girls. And in my family, I grew up as the one doing all the chores at home because it is the woman's duty. Sexism doesn't exist as much in Western culture as it does in many other cultures.
As for Islamic religion and its interpretation of the role of women... it's important to understand the religion itself aims to PROTECT the natural female role. It's an ancient religion that views females as the carrier of life, and thus should be protected from the outside world. Its purpose is honorable and this kind of thinking has been able to survive as long as it did before modernization hit Islamic regions. Personal liberty and equality is a new concept that came with the Industrial revolutions in the 18th century. More and more people under Islamic influence are looking out from their conditions to the west, and they see women walking freely in public, wearing whatever they'd like.
Islamic purpose hasn't changed, only their methods. Facing the threat of modernization, they feel that only drastic and violent action can protect the sacred female sex. It's not much different from an over-protective mother; her actions are harmful to herself and others, but her intentions are good.
So like I said before, when looking at a religion, especially one you cannot possibly be as familiar with as someone who's grown up with it, you should always take an objective view and look at all aspects before protesting it.
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I don't deny there are biological differences between men and women, I just defy the assumption it is for a sociological purpose as IVT had mentioned.
There is a very specific reason why I stick to my slamming of Christianity as opposed to Islam or Judaism, because I have not grown up in those socities. As a spoiled north american I do believe liberalism is morally correct. If a woman wants to be protected and stay at home, and have kids thats great, but there should always be a choice. By the way, I was forced into catholic school and hard to wear dresses everyday besides saturday, and was constantly told how ladies should act.
I stand by my statement that religion is man made until someone proves me otherwise, which to me nulls and voids and norms and mores derived from such religions. I'm sure you are right that there would be some sexism without religion, but I think it sure fosters it.
While I'm not denying not all christians are sexist, and christianity actively and open supports it, what I am getting at is the logic of a religion that contradicts itself passage after passage.
It seems like some people take it as a direct attack on them and get defencive: religion is who they are as opposed to religion as a guiding focus, the former of which I find dangerous.
Anyway, its nice to have someone fight back with logic and reason, rather than zeal.
Youve clearly pointed out that arguments about religions rarely go anywhere, cuz surprise-surprise- theres no evidence of god :o This discussion was doomed from the beginning...Unless uve invented a time machine, i doubt ur arguments will change the wrongs of certain ppl in the past. This debate was pointless, so wudnt u rather waste ur energy baking a pie rather than arguing with IVT about it, cuz face it, u 2 didnt contribute anything meaningful either.
Maybe pointless to you. You contributed nothing, let alone even trying to spell words in full. IVT actually had some valid points, I'm very open to hearing opposing sides of view. I'm not convinced god doesn't exist, I'm just think its highly likely it doesnt. Just because the past is past doesn't mean you should not talk about it, I enjoy debate and dialogue. Unfortunately IVT got a bit too defencive and gave up the debate, the only times these boards are interesting is when we talk about sex and religion.
jesus christ..r u seriously bothered by me not typing words out in full? But i dont get wut u wud consider as a contribution. Do u want me to bring up historical dates, bible quotes, biological evidence? I havnt actually read the bible, so i cant really talk about that but i feel as if i brought up valid points. I mean when IVT left u mocked him by pointing out that all religious ppl run away from discussions like this.... huge contribution on ur behalf Wut do you get out of hating christianity? i'm curious...Do you hate your parents for raising you that way?
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There is a very specific reason why I stick to my slamming of Christianity as opposed to Islam or Judaism, because I have not grown up in those socities. As a spoiled north american I do believe liberalism is morally correct. If a woman wants to be protected and stay at home, and have kids thats great, but there should always be a choice. By the way, I was forced into catholic school and hard to wear dresses everyday besides saturday, and was constantly told how ladies should act.
I stand by my statement that religion is man made until someone proves me otherwise, which to me nulls and voids and norms and mores derived from such religions. I'm sure you are right that there would be some sexism without religion, but I think it sure fosters it.
While I'm not denying not all christians are sexist, and christianity actively and open supports it, what I am getting at is the logic of a religion that contradicts itself passage after passage.
It seems like some people take it as a direct attack on them and get defencive: religion is who they are as opposed to religion as a guiding focus, the former of which I find dangerous.
Anyway, its nice to have someone fight back with logic and reason, rather than zeal.
But i dont get wut u wud consider as a contribution. Do u want me to bring up historical dates, bible quotes, biological evidence?
I havnt actually read the bible, so i cant really talk about that but i feel as if i brought up valid points.
I mean when IVT left u mocked him by pointing out that all religious ppl run away from discussions like this.... huge contribution on ur behalf
Wut do you get out of hating christianity? i'm curious...Do you hate your parents for raising you that way?
Religion is a joke.
I am great.
Men stronger than women.
Women like baking pies.
I like eating pies.
Asian males have small penises.
Germany is great.