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crossing from college to university

edited September 2008 in General
i want to get a bachelors in multi media to become a high school multi media teacher. (im currrently in high school)

id assume i would learn that required information in sfu's SIAT.

SIAT requires the high school course ''math 12''.

if i were to not do math 12, but go to another multi media based college (thinking langara/kwantlen/capillano) and cross over after 2 years, would it be ok that i dont have math 12 because i have all the other stuff from college?
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  • edited September 2008
    To be successful in university, you must have at least complete high school math. Without math 12 minimum, you're at the bottom of the food chain. I think almost everyone who goes to university would have at least math 12. It's not hard to complete high school math really..
  • edited September 2008
    I don't have Math 12.
  • edited September 2008
    i dont think you can transfer into SIAT very well, well im sure you could but i bet 90% of your classes wouldnt cross over

    i dont have math 12 either i dropped it when i had 37%

    you can take math equivalency tests as well, i couldnt enroll in one of my stat classes cause i didnt have math 12 or a good enough mark in math 11, and i passed the entrance test easily

    i dont think you should have such specific field of teaching interest either if you want to be a teacher...i dont know how much high school has changed since i graduated but i didnt even know high schools had teachers like that
  • edited September 2008
    If you don't have Math 12, you can take the FANXX9 course (equiv of math 12) at SFU to get that credit.
  • edited September 2008
    vonnie;36706 said:
    If you don't have Math 12, you can take the FANXX9 course (equiv of math 12) at SFU to get that credit.
    I thought math 100 was equiv to Math 12
  • edited September 2008
    I took Math 12 and I still had to take FAN X99 which is waaaay easier! It's mostly logic and problem-solving. If I were you, just take Math 12 anyways.
  • edited September 2008
    How could you ppl not pass math 12?! Jesus..this school...
  • edited September 2008
    two ways of looking at this:

    1. You're going to go to douglas/cap/kwantlen instead of University because you neglected to take one High school math course.


    2. You're going to transfer from college to uni.

    Personally i'd finish math 12 and get in right away as opposed to the college route.. but to each his own
  • edited September 2008
    Iran1988;36722 said:
    two ways of looking at this:

    1. You're going to go to douglas/cap/kwantlen instead of University because you neglected to take one High school math course.


    2. You're going to transfer from college to uni.

    Personally i'd finish math 12 and get in right away as opposed to the college route.. but to each his own
    Well for one, not everyone's parents is paying their tuition by wire transfers iran, colleges are a cheaper way to do your first two years.

    In my opinion you learn more in those two years as well as the class sizes are smaller and youre basically just in seminars, having gone to college myself.

    Also, you can save transit time by going to college as well, instead of trekking up a god forsaken mountain a few times a week.
    peter8912;36721 said:
    How could you ppl not pass math 12?! Jesus..this school...
    For one, not every school district teaches math the same, try taking math in one school where its not taught well then moving to another district that expects more...

    Also, you know in high school how you just have two terms? I remember taking math 10 in the fall semester one year, then taking it in the spring semester the next school year...a whole year lapsed and I basically forgot everything in the prior math course.
  • edited September 2008
    Being the History and Humanities major that I am, I am proud to say that I did so poorly in Math 12 that my academic advisors removed me from the course and re-enrolled me back into Math 11. In fact, despite taking Math 11 for the second time, my mark was so low (70%) that I barely get exempted from the FANx99 requirement. Yeah, I shouldn't have taken Math 12 in the first place, but my parents (being Asians) thinks that it is embarrassing that their son didn't take Math 12.

    Oh, when they said that they need Math 12, you REALLY need Math 12 or something equal to Math 12.
    peter8912 said:
    To be successful in university, you must have at least complete high school math. Without math 12 minimum, you're at the bottom of the food chain. I think almost everyone who goes to university would have at least math 12. It's not hard to complete high school math really..
    No, you don't need math 12 to succeed in university. Like I mentioned above, I was removed from Math 12 and volunteered to retake Math 11, I am doing relatively well right now in my Arts program. In case you are wondering, the last time I used high school math was when I used the Pythagorean theorem to calculate how far Batman glided from IFC building 2 to IFC building 1 in The Dark Knight...
  • edited September 2008
    math 12 was the culprit in giving me the darkest days in highschool history..
    'nuff said..
  • edited September 2008
    Take math 12 and then go to a university to learn the multimedia stuff.
  • edited September 2008
    randomuser;36723 said:

    For one, not every school district teaches math the same, try taking math in one school where its not taught well then moving to another district that expects more...

    Also, you know in high school how you just have two terms? I remember taking math 10 in the fall semester one year, then taking it in the spring semester the next school year...a whole year lapsed and I basically forgot everything in the prior math course.
    Okay, I did my math 12 in the last month before i entered post secondary school. That meant I did not do math 12 during my grade 12 semester. Which meant that I did not do math for a whole year also.
    It was in the summer and It was an accelerated class, so we covered everything that was in the normal semester, in a month. (That was a fukin rough month)
    I only managed
    Student0667;36725 said:

    No, you don't need math 12 to succeed in university. Like I mentioned above, I was removed from Math 12 and volunteered to retake Math 11, I am doing relatively well right now in my Arts program. In case you are wondering, the last time I used high school math was when I used the Pythagorean theorem to calculate how far Batman glided from IFC building 2 to IFC building 1 in The Dark Knight...
    Guess it goes to show how pathetic the arts department is. *Mini waves for the mathematically challenged kids*
  • edited September 2008
    Thanks for all the answers guys. Yeah I see what you mean, i probably should take it, but despite averaging 87% in math 11, I learned aboslutely nothing in the course and i am absolutely clueluess on my FIRST, REVIEW assignment. I know its gonna hurt my GPA and im trying to avoid it.

    So none of you know if i can not take it and just xfer from langara or w/e without having taken it previously and still get in?

    And.. to whomever who said 90% of my classses wont cross over etc, im not sure what you mean, as i have absolutely no idea in terms of post secondary.

    And: To RandomUser, stating that if im going to become a teacher i should broaden my area, in all respect i have to disagree. My main and only enjoyment in teaching would be multi media/info tech. I'm not one to enjoy marking papers, and i've talked to my current multi media teacher- there is VERY little marking. It's assigning film projects and going over them, editing them, making websites, and doing fun interactive stuff that i would enjoy teaching.

    Also, technology is advancing so rapidly that i woudnt be suprised if multi media(more so info tech) soon became a required basic course because computers and those general programs are used so much.

    I'm just afraid, that in order to apply for a teaching degree I have to major in two things, (two subjects), and if multi media/info tech cannot be those two, i don't know what i will do. (I do not want to teach ANYTHING else in all honesty, and dont judge me on it.)
  • edited September 2008
    Well, I guess I should be the one to tell you that you should open up to new things as well. You think that now you would like to be a teacher in IT or something or other, but after taking some breadth courses your first semester, your goals might change.

    Anyway, you should be looking to take Comp Sci. It's a pretty extensive faculty... There are some students on this forum that can help you since they're majoring in Computer Science.

    Math 12 is definitely an asset. If you got 87% in Math 11, it'll be no problem.
    I barely went to class and I passed it with flying colours. AND now that you don't have to take provincials to get into UNI, what are you worried about =P
  • edited September 2008
    vonnie;36737 said:
    Well, I guess I should be the one to tell you that you should open up to new things as well. You think that now you would like to be a teacher in IT or something or other, but after taking some breadth courses your first semester, your goals might change.

    Anyway, you should be looking to take Comp Sci. It's a pretty extensive faculty... There are some students on this forum that can help you since they're majoring in Computer Science.

    Math 12 is definitely an asset. If you got 87% in Math 11, it'll be no problem.
    I barely went to class and I passed it with flying colours. AND now that you don't have to take provincials to get into UNI, what are you worried about =P
    i heard you only need provincially EXAMINABLE courses, but you dont actually HAVE to do the provincials , is this true? Are you sure :p
  • edited September 2008
    peter8912;36734 said:
    Okay, I did my math 12 in the last month before i entered post secondary school. That meant I did not do math 12 during my grade 12 semester. Which meant that I did not do math for a whole year also.
    It was in the summer and It was an accelerated class, so we covered everything that was in the normal semester, in a month. (That was a fukin rough month)
    I only managed



    Guess it goes to show how pathetic the arts department is. *Mini waves for the mathematically challenged kids*
    So you can do math but apparently you can't read can you? If you want to respond to my points address them in full. A bad teacher can do a lot. I don't think anyone is inherently bad at math (with some exceptions), its all the approach and how they were taught.

    *Mini waves for the ass who can't read but can do complex algebra* :teeth: Maybe if you read the context of the posts we're talking about the usefulness of Math 12 in assessing your University entrance, I didn't do Math 12 and had to take the assessment test and aced it, and did good in the science classes I did take. Get over pretentious self, don't assume all arts students are bad in the sciences and that we dont take science classes. Just because you took or did well in Math 12 doesn't make you better than anyone else.

    Maybe you should take a class in critical thinking in the PHIL department before you make un-informed blanket statements. It's a fallacy to assume all arts students are inferior to those in the sciences. I've met some pretty ignorant people in the sciences, they can do whatever their department is and yet hold racist views and superstitious beliefs-- yet they're the superior?
  • edited September 2008
    heggie88;36735 said:

    So none of you know if i can not take it and just xfer from langara or w/e without having taken it previously and still get in?

    And.. to whomever who said 90% of my classses wont cross over etc, im not sure what you mean, as i have absolutely no idea in terms of post secondary.

    And: To RandomUser, stating that if im going to become a teacher i should broaden my area, in all respect i have to disagree. My main and only enjoyment in teaching would be multi media/info tech. I'm not one to enjoy marking papers, and i've talked to my current multi media teacher- there is VERY little marking. It's assigning film projects and going over them, editing them, making websites, and doing fun interactive stuff that i would enjoy teaching.

    Also, technology is advancing so rapidly that i woudnt be suprised if multi media(more so info tech) soon became a required basic course because computers and those general programs are used so much.

    I'm just afraid, that in order to apply for a teaching degree I have to major in two things, (two subjects), and if multi media/info tech cannot be those two, i don't know what i will do. (I do not want to teach ANYTHING else in all honesty, and dont judge me on it.)
    Look up something in a search engine called the university transfer guide, it will tell you what courses transfer from colleges to universities. SIAT has a lot of specialized courses, I doubt your college courses will count as accredited towards their program. I doubt you'll even need math 12 if you can take some kind of assessment test as well...just apply the faculty, if you're rejected then apply to another faculty and take SIAT courses anyway, then apply again once you're already in the university.

    As Vonnie mentioned...you're in high school, most people drop out of post-secondary after their first semester / year. Your goals will definitely change. Its good you have specific interests in mind, but don't pigeon hole yourself.
  • edited September 2008
    I am just going to say that Peter8912 has to be one of the most close minded person I've ever seen on the internet as a combination of what he said in this thread as well as that bit in his cornerstone/univercity thread.

    That said, I don't think its fair that randomuser's excuse was something along the lines of transferring from one school with a bad math program to another with a higher expectation, combined with forgetting because its was a whole year since you took math. If you weren't doing well, get help. Pretty simple. Math isn't for everyone and math 12 can be tough, but its not something that you can't overcome (especially since you did stat 203 and managed that just fine)

    Next, I think you guys are overlooking or underestimating the factor of personal interest. Just a quick assumption; Peter is probably an immigrant from an asian country (presumably one of the big three ala Taiwan/Hong Kong/Korea) where math is taught at a higher level in high school than in Canada. When he came to Canada, by default he was head and shoulders above the competition.
    On the other hand randomuser probably doesn't care for math all that much. Instead of attempting to overcome not being able to do grade x math well, she just did the minimum it was required for graduating high school and went on with her life.

    Talk about one fucking long tangent post. But wait I'm not done.
    What you guys brought up is pretty much the opposite of why the whole WQB shit was implemented. The university was pumping out loads of science students who managed to get by with horrible English reading comprehension and writing/essay composition that they're forcing everyone to have to pass a certain amount of writing intensive courses. Nothing we didn't already know. But what we should be asking is, should the university be requiring that social sciences students be required to be able to do some form of math or another? Though I can understand why English skills are more relevant and reflects worse on the university than say, an inability to do linear algebra or intro calculus.

    Lastly the 5 courses I applied to SFU with were English 12, Math 12, Chem 12, Physics 12 and Bio 12 and I'm in social sciences. Hell lets do a little dick wave, I got 94% in math 12, how good did you do? Why would you judge the quality of arts students by their high school math abilities?

    Oh and Peter, if 8912 means you're born in December of 1989 thus putting you in what, 2nd year? If so, you're not even half way through your degree yet. Why not try a little modesty and less pompous arrogance? At the end of our undergrad, your science based degree is not more valuable than my arts degree.
  • edited September 2008
    DaNoobie;36745 said:

    Oh and Peter, if 8912 means you're born in December of 1989 thus putting you in what, 2nd year? If so, you're not even half way through your degree yet. Why not try a little modesty and less pompous arrogance? At the end of our undergrad, your science based degree is not more valuable than my arts degree.
    I love how you base a person on their academic advancements. Okay, I'll keep it simple - I am in the top percentile in the school (+90th percentile). How much of my degree I've finished up until now is totally irrelevant. In the end, I'll still have done better than you and 90% others. I don't base my modesty on my university career. I call that being close minded. Noobie, you let your degree define who you are? Yes, there are a few others that have better grades than I, but I don't have a care in the world. To add to my ego - yes, my degree will technically be worth more than yours because I'll have a thing called "University honor roll" on my transcript. :D
    Why are you trying to measure your intelligence based on your academic advancements? OOO math 12, physics 12, CHEM... I'm so threatened by your science credentials!! Let your actions in real life define who you are, not your marks. It has gotten to the point where you want to challenge me with academic credentials.
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    peter8912;36750 said:
    I love how you base a person on their academic advancements. Okay, I'll keep it simple - I am in the top percentile in the school (+90th percentile). How much of my degree I've finished up until now is totally irrelevant. In the end, I'll still have done better than you and 90% others. I don't base my modesty on my university career. I call that being close minded. Noobie, you let your degree define who you are? Yes, there are a few others that have better grades than I, but I don't have a care in the world. To add to my ego - yes, my degree will technically be worth more than yours because I'll have a thing called "University honor roll" on my transcript. :D
    Why are you trying to measure your intelligence based on your academic advancements? OOO math 12, physics 12, CHEM... I'm so threatened by your science credentials!!
    You seem like someone who'll be on a street corner one day, telling the world about the university honor roll written on your transcript, as you blame the system for not getting anywhere.

    But I could be wrong.
  • edited September 2008
    nicole;36751 said:
    You seem like someone who'll be on a street corner one day, telling the world about the university honor roll written on your transcript, as you blame the system for not getting anywhere.

    But I could be wrong.
    I'm flowing with the system honey. No problems here. I'm a business student - my goal is to make money -lots of it and to take advantage of less capable persons like yourself. Bragging about my transcript is something I like to do for fun. DANOOBIE, PLease tell me more about your versatile abilities to do science courses and still be in Arts!!
  • edited September 2008
    Don't call me honey.

    This incapable person is heading to her business class, have a great day!
  • edited September 2008
    Y'all vented enough spleen at each other yet? ;)

    Education may be SRS BSNS, but it's not worth the wankery of one-up-person-ship, IMO (for the record I've never dissed an arts major in my entire undergraduate or graduate time period).

    Life's too short for this shit. Thus spake the old fart (at 32, I think I qualify in Academic Years or some equivalent thereof).
  • edited September 2008
    Well like you I chose to be in the arts, although now I've chaned my mind danoobie.

    I'm not sure when you went to school and where, but I went to school up north and I graduated in '01.

    I wasn't even taught how the write an essay during my school experience. Nor was I taught math well in my school district, I coulda gone for help but I was 16 and like a lot of 16 year olds I didn't care. I got 37% in Math 12, 51% in Math 11, 97% in Bio 12, and I woulda failed and had to drop Chem and Physics (since I had issues building on the Math 11 and Math 12 I epicly failed at. I didn't inherently suck at Chem and Phys I just didn't have the Math I needed to do well in them, nor did I go for help...

    ANYWAY I'm glad someone else said something about pompous assholes acting like the Faculty of Arts is nothing, there isnt even much of a difference between a BA and BSc in earning power, that may change in post-doctoral but seriously now.

    People confuse people not entering the sciences with not being able to get in, akin to going to SFU cause they couldn't get into UBC.
  • edited September 2008
    I would just like to say that I got into UBC, and some other universities, and the reason I am here and not there is because rez was full there, so I went here. Not that going here was a bad choice.
  • edited September 2008
    randomuser;36756 said:
    I wasn't even taught how the write an essay during my school experience. Nor was I taught math well in my school district, I coulda gone for help but I was 16 and like a lot of 16 year olds I didn't care. I got 37% in Math 12, 51% in Math 11, 97% in Bio 12, and I woulda failed and had to drop Chem and Physics (since I had issues building on the Math 11 and Math 12 I epicly failed at. I didn't inherently suck at Chem and Phys I just didn't have the Math I needed to do well in them, nor did I go for help...
    I was lucky in that while my math marks in HS weren't stellar, I did reasonably well and pulled out a C+ (~65something%) in Math 12, and so could go on and do math 100. Unfortunately I crashed and burned on 151, but first-year chemistry and physics didn't need much calculus back then so I skated on by. :P

    Would have come back to haunt me by the time I did quantum mechanics though so I'm glad I eventually took a proper kick at the can at Langara and really learned calculus. :)
  • edited September 2008
    randomuser;36756 said:


    I wasn't even taught how the write an essay during my school experience. Nor was I taught math well in my school district, I coulda gone for help but I was 16 and like a lot of 16 year olds I didn't care. I got 37% in Math 12, 51% in Math 11, 97% in Bio 12, and I woulda failed and had to drop Chem and Physics (since I had issues building on the Math 11 and Math 12 I epicly failed at. I didn't inherently suck at Chem and Phys I just didn't have the Math I needed to do well in them, nor did I go for help...
    Why do you have to try and justify? Your insecurities show how bound you are to a bunch of numbers. Just be. I may seem like a dick but I'm not like this (most of the time) Put my ego to the side and I will tell you that I know that our society would not operate without the contribution from all intellectual perspectives. Nicole: HEY HONEY! HONEY- BUNCHES OF OATS
  • edited September 2008
    peter8912;36750 said:
    I love how you base a person on their academic advancements. Okay, I'll keep it simple - I am in the top percentile in the school (+90th percentile). How much of my degree I've finished up until now is totally irrelevant. In the end, I'll still have done better than you and 90% others. I don't base my modesty on my university career. I call that being close minded.
    um, what?
    peter8912;36750 said:
    Noobie, you let your degree define who you are?
    How did you draw this conclusion...?
    peter8912;36750 said:

    Yes, there are a few others that have better grades than I, but I don't have a care in the world. To add to my ego - yes, my degree will technically be worth more than yours because I'll have a thing called "University honor roll" on my transcript. :D
    Again, you're not done yet. And if being in the top 90th percentile gets you an honours degree in your faculty, what makes you think the top 90th percentile does not get it in each of our social sciences faculties?
    peter8912;36750 said:
    Why are you trying to measure your intelligence based on your academic advancements? OOO math 12, physics 12, CHEM... I'm so threatened by your science credentials!! Let your actions in real life define who you are, not your marks. It has gotten to the point where you want to challenge me with academic credentials.
    I'm not, I was merely trying to let you see how stupid it is to draw conclusions based on high school math to what one studies in post secondary.

    Your entire reply basically sums up where you are as a person in a nutshell. I hope you go back to this one day down the road and realize just how shallow and narrow minded your perspectives are.
    Lastly, while its your ego that makes you who you are and where you are, its your ignorance that allows you to have these notions that arts students are some how inferior. Have a good life.
  • edited September 2008
    heggie88;36739 said:
    i heard you only need provincially EXAMINABLE courses, but you dont actually HAVE to do the provincials , is this true? Are you sure :p
    Heggie, you should really find out from you school course counselor. I'm pretty sure that you don't need any provincials, but this is going from what I heard on the news this year. =)

    ETA: Oh, and it's not cool to all gang up on one person. Mmmk?

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