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Smoking Ban on Campus
I made a thread about this a while ago before this but
Did anyone else read about that on the peak paper? I hope they actually do enforce it in convocation mall, if people want to smoke in front of the university who cares, but the common space should be smoke free.
Did anyone else read about that on the peak paper? I hope they actually do enforce it in convocation mall, if people want to smoke in front of the university who cares, but the common space should be smoke free.
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only place that i notice is right outside the library, by the no smoking sign
only other places are the aq doors at one end, by the chem hall, and the other end, leading up the stairs heading towards the main bus stop
Yah, i think the library is the worst place. Its bad at the downtown campus cuz there are always a lot of people outside smoking by the front doors.
nothing super far though, but just an area people who hate smoke can avoid.
I especially dislike people who huff and puff while they're walking from one lecture to another. -- I don't like your smoke, ever consider that?
....but i really hate it when im walking down the street and the person infront of me is smoking and the smoke is coming back into me and i have to try to dodge it and look dumb trying to do that.
Its just very annoying having that smoke come back at me.
everyone who makes a big deal out of it think smokers are out there to blow smoke in everyones faces
sure some might be, lol
They have the right to smoke where it is allowed.
does it make it morally ok for people to smoke in groups twenty feet outside a hospital just cause theres no smoking restriction outside of that twenty feet.
regardless of whether smokers dont do it on purpose or not its just inconsiderate in that situation
a) its fair to assume all smokers know smoke is harmful to themselves and others
b) its fair to assume they know they arent the only people in the world who breathe air while walking down crowded sidewalks and walk ways
im not just someone on their high horse cause i dont like the smell of smoke, i have asthma and i really dont like my lungs constricting in response to smoke among many other things i try to reasonably avoid, i wont walk outside pulpmills or smoke stacks for my exercise and bitch about it, but i cant predict when someone is going to light a cigarette when walking in front of me
i have nothing against smokers who want to smoke in areas where i can purposely avoid them, if i choose to walk by them knowing theyre smoking its my own fault, but when i want to get to class through convocation center on campus, or get somewhere in town by a sidewalk i shouldnt have to deal with it
maybe im wrong though, if it turns out second hand smoke prolongs your life i take it all back
Besides, cigarette smoke isn't that bad. It reminds me of Las Vegas.
if people want to smoke off to the side somewhere, or some place where i know smokers are going to congregate i dont have a problem avoiding it. just as a counter point publicly sold products have to provide information whether they contain nuts or not, otherwise face legal action when someone dies as a result of consuming said product, if i know some people are going to be smoking some places...i will avoid it
further, if i ever see anyone on campus in the convocation center making peanut butter en masse I will be sure to start a scene, i could imagine the chaos of people starting peanut butter fights and throwing nuts at other people, one of those nuts even may end up in someones mouth or in contact with their skin
I'm going to have to nominate "legally noone has the right to smoke" as the most aggravating comment of the decade. Followed closely by "theres nothing in the constitution that says you have the right to smoke."
I mean, holy Jesus man. Please tell me there's some burried irony in there that I'm not detecting. It's absolutely acceptable to be against smoking, against smokers, and to say that smokers who go for a puff outside the library are inconsiderate jackasses. But to pass a regulation about it just pathetic.
bam!!
yes, everyone who smokes on campus smokes right in front of the non smoking signs
you guys are friggin morons
i used to smoke, dont anymore, but when i did, i never did it in front of those signs.. therefore you guys are wrong! ha!
so yeah, shut up.
Regardless of the claim that second hand smoke harms people is irrelevant, smokers can smoke all the want just dont force your habit on me when Im walking in between classes, I dont enjoy the smell, or the annoyance, I find it offending.
I dont see how my comments are aggravating to anyone besides people who dont mind the smell or ambience of smoke. How would smokers feel if I bought cans of axe and decided Id spray it in their face every time I walked by them? I dont see how its any less offensive than second hand smoke.
RE:Triple
It says in the law many places that you can't smoke, in certain places. I'm also not attacking smokers who dont force other people to smoke with them, what Im attacking are inconsiderate people who force their offensive behaviour on other people, whether it be smoking, exposing themselves, their body odor, etc
With that, I agree. I dont think they should be allowed to smoke outside doors that lead into the school or a restaurant or whatever. I think its very rude and inconsiderate to subject a non-smoker to smoke like that.
However, I do think that smokers have a 'right' so to speak to smoke....although its a strange one. Its a very disgusting thing to do, but i suppose if they do it in an area that does not affect non-smokers at all, then its ok.
However, here's my specific case:
My bf's mom smokes (horribly so) and i hate it, of course. So i went over to his parents house with him for dinner one time. Now, i have been there several times in the past, but usually his mom was working and was not there. His dad does not smoke, but his mom does, and does it in her house too :/ Anyways, whatever, its her house, her business. So, I go over for dinner and both of his parents are there. So, they KNOW that I am a non-smoker and how much i HATE cigarettes and smoking....as Im sitting there watching TV waiting for dinner (bf was barbequing and there was nothing for me to do), his mom joins me and lights up not one, not two, but THREE cigarettes in the short time that we are sitting there watching TV. Like wtf??
I think its just so rude to subject a non-smoker to that, imo. But then again, its NOT my house, its hers, so i suppose she has a right to do that....what do the rest of you think? My mom thought that since it was her house, she could do what she wanted, which is true. But i think that since she knows that i dont like smoke and cant tolerate it very well (i start coughing, feel like i cant breathe, and the smell makes me very very nauceous) that she shouldnt have done that with me sitting there.
Anyways, it got so bad that i had to leave and go outside for fresh air. Nevertheless, im not going back to their house if his mom is going to be there....its nothing to do with her, i like her a lot, but i just cant tolerate the smoke :(
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=wmd&q=carcinogens+in+second+hand+smoke&btnG=Search&meta=
I'm not in the mood to read, so I only skimmed the titles. Seems somewhat damning to me.
One more place to throw in is the doors by Triple Os & Simon Cs/Triple Os. Not nearly as bad as some of the other places, but definitely still a fair bit of smokers around there.
Also, correlational studies are not meaningful. "This person had a dad who was a smoker and got lung cancer!" means nothing. This person has never seen a cigarette and got lung cancer - so what? They concoct these numbers by essentially taking anyone who has come into contact with second hand smoke, and ascribing any and all lung or heart diseases that they get to that smoke. It's not convincing.
As I said, multiple times now: Second hand smoke is SMOKE. Of course it's not good for you. But it's still not dangerous. In the same way that walking down the street can kill you if a car hits you, but I still wouldn't call it a dangerous activity. It's all about the probability.
Car exhaust is a by-product of ease of transportation. Whats the main purpose of smoking..?
btw, I am 100% sure theres thousands of studies on 2nd hand smoke beyonds correlational studies.
take drugs for example, they make it seem like you do cocaine once, your going to become a crackhead living on east hastings.
I've done cocaine. How many times? Once.
That was 2 years ago, and hey, I'm not a crackhead... sure I could be eventually, but it won't be from coke, lol.
Why do you continuously draw comparisons with yourself as a means of refuting a point? Like I said before, great good for you that you don't smoke by the library, that doesn't change the fact that tons of people do. Again, good for you that you're not a crackhead for trying out crack once two years ago, but for many people with lower self control or what have you, once really is all it takes to be hooked on cocaine, or heroin or meth. Seriously wow...
that is not to say i agree to completely ban smoking.. i do believe every individual should have their own freedom of choice and if smoking is one of them that's fine with me.. but that choice should not jeopardize the choice of others.. like those who choose not to smoke.. so yes.. people should respect the signs and smoke in designated areas because i really hate waiting for a bus while inhaling second hand smoke.. i did not offer them a piece of my mind so don't offer me second hand smoke..
or the people here saying every smoker smokes in front of the library.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it doesn't always happen.
People should be able to smoke, but its not some fundamental right so it shouldnt infringe upon other peoples, is my whole point I was making with the legality. If you want to quote me saying all smokers should not be allowed to smoke anywhere then go ahead and Ill concede.
As I said before how is me spraying axe in peoples faces any different than blowing second hand smoke in the air in a crowded area, maybe they dont mean to do it on purpose, but it should be obvious to them how air circulation works and that its going straight into my face if Im walking behind them.
Its not like people are born smokers and im discriminating against some fundamental thing they cant change. I dont care if smokers dont want to quit smoking just dont blow it in my face when Im trying to get places where I cant easily avoid it. Im not one of those uppity people who think that by walking into a smokers pit or a smoking area in restaurant I can sue or start a civil rights movement.
Just cause you can physically do something does that mean you should and have the right to.
And triple I dont recall anyone saying all smokers smoke in front of the library, we acknowledged the fact there were or are considerate smokers like you who dont smoke in everyones business.
Look, you saying that you don't think smoking is a right is quite simply insane. You start out having the right to do everything, automatically, and then those rights are taken away on a case-by-case basis. You don't start out with no rights, and then receive them one by one. Everyone has the right to do whateve the HELL they want, as long as it is not against the law. Try to understand that. Actually, it DOES mean you have the right to, unless it's specifically prohibited by law. That's what all that "free country" jive is about. You say it's not a "fundamental right." This shows you you do not understand what a fundamental right is. Your fundamental right is to do ANYTHING YOU WANT, up to and including smoking.
Now: Is it inconsiderate to smoke in crowded outdoor areas? Sure. Is it reasonable for you to complain about it? Of course! You can say these people are assholes, and you might even be correct. But that's a far cry - a FAR CRY - passing a regulation against it. You can absolutely say that you think somebody else's actions are wrong. But you don't get to to tell them that they may not do what they want. You just don't.
Again: Have your opinion, and share it. While I'm really not bothered by smoke myself, sure, I have no problem telling them to clear out of crowded areas. But this "there is no right to smoke" stuff is, honestly, utter stupidity.