yeah its a concern, but i trust the canuck management on this one and hearing some nice things about the guy, right hand shot, top 25 in the league in shots, getting that playing 3rd line in detroit bodes well for us, how many times have we heard the canucks dont shoot enough
listenin to blake price on the radio and he's suggesting perhaps we float an offer sheet to cam barker (ive been on this for a while, chicago has got great pieces on rfa and very little cap room to hold onto em), love to see that happen, chicago has so many big names lookin for substantial raises, they cant possibly keep everyone (kane/toews/keith all up for rfa next year)
Hopefully if Samuelsson plays with the Sedins, the cycle will be more effective, aka they won't overcycle and lose possession before at least ONE shot is made.
I'm pretty sure Raycroft is on a one way deal, meaning one more year on the Moose for Schneids
edit: that or getting moved
Signing a one way deal just means he would make the same in the minors as he would in the NHL. I'm willing to bet that Schneider gets a few games this year when Luongo needs a break much like Pogge did for the Leafs last year. They'll call him up for a game, let him play and hopefully he plays well enough to raise his trade value.
Signing a one way deal just means he would make the same in the minors as he would in the NHL. I'm willing to bet that Schneider gets a few games this year when Luongo needs a break much like Pogge did for the Leafs last year. They'll call him up for a game, let him play and hopefully he plays well enough to raise his trade value.
Yes, I realize that. But more importantly, Raycroft's salary counts against Vancouver's cap meaning unless theres an injury, Schneider wont see much if any time with the big club this year.
Pogge's situation is completely different in that Toronto went through a number of goalies due to injuries and such last year.
Also hate to break it to you, one good game or two won't raise his stock much.
Yes, I realize that. But more importantly, Raycroft's salary counts against Vancouver's cap meaning unless theres an injury, Schneider wont see much if any time with the big club this year.
Pogge's situation is completely different in that Toronto went through a number of goalies due to injuries and such last year.
Also hate to break it to you, one good game or two won't raise his stock much.
Vancouver can send Raycroft to the minors and not have his salary count against the cap so I'm not sure why you think this is a determining factor as to why Schneider is going to have to spend the whole season in the minors again.
I also realize the Canucks situation is significantly different than the leafs from last year, but the same sort of plan can be made. Honestly, Raycroft sucks and Schneider is a better goalie than him. If the Canucks want to make sure that Schneider gets game time in the minors they might decide to call him up for a start every few weeks and let Raycroft warm the bench when Luongo is starting. In addition to getting Schneider more playing time this way, the Canucks would save money against the cap by having Schneider only up for a game at a time as opposed to having him be backup all season. I'm not saying it will happen but rather its something they can consider. Especially if Raycroft doesn't perform the way they would like in the pre-season or early on.
If he makes 7-8 starts this year and plays well in those games it will increase his trade value. General managers are much more willing to trade for a goaltender who has proven that he can succeed at the NHL level, even in small sample sizes, rather than just in minor leagues. Anything the Canucks can to do to increase him value without taking starts away from Luongo is worth pursuing because if the rumours of a Luongo extension are true then they will need to unload him.
Vancouver can send Raycroft to the minors and not have his salary count against the cap so I'm not sure why you think this is a determining factor as to why Schneider is going to have to spend the whole season in the minors again.
I also realize the Canucks situation is significantly different than the leafs from last year, but the same sort of plan can be made. Honestly, Raycroft sucks and Schneider is a better goalie than him. If the Canucks want to make sure that Schneider gets game time in the minors they might decide to call him up for a start every few weeks and let Raycroft warm the bench when Luongo is starting. In addition to getting Schneider more playing time this way, the Canucks would save money against the cap by having Schneider only up for a game at a time as opposed to having him be backup all season. I'm not saying it will happen but rather its something they can consider. Especially if Raycroft doesn't perform the way they would like in the pre-season or early on.
If he makes 7-8 starts this year and plays well in those games it will increase his trade value. General managers are much more willing to trade for a goaltender who has proven that he can succeed at the NHL level, even in small sample sizes, rather than just in minor leagues. Anything the Canucks can to do to increase him value without taking starts away from Luongo is worth pursuing because if the rumours of a Luongo extension are true then they will need to unload him.
I'm about 95% sure 1 way salary means his contract counts against the cap even in the minors (see Jason Krog) Also, Schneider's entry level salary is higher than Raycroft's (just over 1mil I believe) - and that the cap hit is not calculated by games played but by number of days on roster. So calling him up for one game at a time is not the key issue, but whether there is limits on calling up/sending down within the same day (ie. game day, or game day + day before for practice with team, etc.) But this is not good to showcase his skills because Schneider will lack regular communication with his defensemen resulting in what seems like poor decision making with the puck. Hell I'm pretty sure this happened when he was splitting time with Labarbera
Basically, it depends on how dire our cap situation is and whether theres an injury to one of the goalies in front of him. If we only have around 1-2m to spare for the season and neither Raycroft or Luongo gets hurt, Schneider simply will not see time. Also you're forgetting that when healthy, Luongo plays 70+ games. Thats hardly any games left for Raycroft, let alone Schneider to showcase himself.
melting: I know a season in the minors won't help his trade value considering the season he already had down there. Same goes for Hodgson and juniors. I for one is all for bringing our prospects up slow though.
Also, keep in mind Raycroft played exclusively for bad non-playoff teams during his poor statistical seasons. While he is to blame for not making his team better ala Luongo-FLA, it sure didn't help his numbers playing on those teams.
yeah we need to utilize that asset though, doesnt helps up having him in the minors, so gillis and co has to find a way to get him some playing time and offload him
schneider was a first rounder from 04, so we have developed him pretty slowly and is nhl ready now
TO got 'the monster' lol.. so prospects for a trade with them for kaberle mighta ended there
and ya i do like raycroft as lu'ie backup, some half decent xp, @league min, i aint gonna complain (hes actually getting paid more by the leafs for his buyout @700k, than the canucks are payin him this year, funny that)
hodgson should crack our opening day roster, he was supposedly 'close' (not realistic though) last year, but this year we should get him some playing time just to see how he can handle the level of play at the nhl level
hopefully, he can adjust and we can find a good place to slot him on our top 9 forward spots
I'm about 95% sure 1 way salary means his contract counts against the cap even in the minors (see Jason Krog)
It's not true and Krog didn't count against the Canucks cap last year. Some teams send players that they've signed to inflated contracts to the minors in order to rid of them of the cap hit. This is why Rangers fans want Wade Redden sent to the minors.
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this is not good to showcase his skills because Schneider will lack regular communication with his defensemen resulting in what seems like poor decision making with the puck.
I don't see this being an issue. From someone who has played the position, communication between goalies and defensemen is not very elaborate. If you have the puck behind the net the defenseman will tell you to get rid or it or leave it. Its not different in other situations.
DaNoobie;57395 said:
you're forgetting that when healthy, Luongo plays 70+ games. Thats hardly any games left for Raycroft, let alone Schneider to showcase himself.
I'm not forgetting about it, I just don't want to see Raycroft playing games. I don't think the organization should be too worried about finding time for Raycroft to start but rather having their biggest asset in terms of trade showcase their skills at the NHL level.
yah I read that lollol, the leafs are paying him 700k not to play and we're paying him 500k to play I hope Hodgson takes over Sundin's spot on 2nd line C. Hes already a responsible 2 way forward and has plenty of offense. Putting him on a 3rd or 4th line really just wastes a year off of his contract.
And on Schneider, he really cant be moved until Luongo signs an extension. Even when Luongo is signed, I'm not big on moving Schneider for someone thats on the last year of his contract anyways (Kaberle) Blue chip goalie prospects dont come that often. If anything, I'd prefer a blue chip defense prospect coming back
It's not true and Krog didn't count against the Canucks cap last year. Some teams send players that they've signed to inflated contracts to the minors in order to rid of them of the cap hit. This is why Rangers fans want Wade Redden sent to the minors.
I don't see this being an issue. From someone who has played the position, communication between goalies and defensemen is not very elaborate. If you have the puck behind the net the defenseman will tell you to get rid or it or leave it. Its not different in other situations.
I'm not forgetting about it, I just don't want to see Raycroft playing games. I don't think the organization should be too worried about finding time for Raycroft to start but rather having their biggest asset in terms of trade showcase their skills at the NHL level.
Actually now that you mentioned it, I think you're right. They're just on the hook for the salary amount, but it doesnt count against the cap. Regardless though, communication is actually a big issue. Luongo even had it when he came back from his injury.
Anyone want to predict the NW division Champions next year?
Here is my take:
Minnesota: lost gaborik, but added havlat. Other than a few minor pickups i don't really seeing them doing much better than last year. They'll miss the playoffs i believe.
Edmonton: Hmm... this one is even stranger because of the heatley controversy. If heatley joins the oilers then they'll make the playoffs otherwise i don't think Khabibulin will be able to carry the load for this team like he did for chicago. They upgraded their goaltending though by getting the bulin wall which is better than roloson. Who knows i say they finish third in the division just making the playoffs.
Calgary: This is the main competition for the canucks every year. The rivalry we have with the flames is one of the best in the league. They lost a lot up front with Cammaleri going to Montreal, and bertuzzi still out there. Olli Jokinen isn't going to make that much of a difference and with Cammaleri gone, Iginla will struggle a bit. Their young guys should be ok but they lost depth on defense by losing leopold although they got Jay Bow. I say they finish a close second to vancouver in the division in the middle of the western conference.
Colorado: Although they got a great prospect in Matt Duschene, and their young guys should be better like Stastny, i really doubt they'll go from one of the worst teams to a division champion. They need one to three more years of rebuilding before they can go back to being a contender. Losing Sakic to retirement was also a loss on their part.
I saved the best for last Our Dear Vancouver Canucks:
Offense: Resigning the sedins was a wise move, we didn't change the team too much but we didn't lose much wither. The sedins will be consisitent once again and with solid play from kesler, demitra, and burrows we should be ok. The young guys like Hodgson and Grabner should be decent on the team as well they have tremendous upside and skill.The only issue here is the Mats Sundin returning or not thing. If he returns we'll have two solid lines again with a solid thrid line. If not it's still ok as it'll give our prospects a spot on the team. Picking up a solid player like Samuelsson was a nice addition and he should be able to do quite well. If the salary arbitration thing works out the canucks will also have a solid centreman in Wellwood. The only loss up front isee might be Pyatt who is still a UFA.
Defense:Lost a workhorse in Ohlund, didn't add much to replace him yet. Salo needs to stay healthy and Bieksa and Edler need to continue developing into solid players. We need a top 4 defenseman though cause right now our defense is looking a bit weak.
Goaltending: Roberto Luongo, i really hope they get a contract extension done before the season starts so that will allow luongo to focus on the season and not the contract issue. He's easily one of the best goalies in the game and he gives us a chance to win every night. Raycroft is a nice backup alternative, he was cheap and he's got nhl experience. Depending on the training camp though Schneider might finally prove that he's ready for the NHL.
With all that being said i think the canucks are the least changed team from last season, barring injuries or a weird cinderella season from another division team i predict the canucks will repeat as division champions and will go into the second round of the playoffs again. I really think we're a puck moving defenseman and a top 6 forward away from the Cup Final.
With the defensive additions we made to replace Ohlund, I think we our hands down the favourite to win the NW
Don't forget that Calgary added J-Bo so there defense is looking rock solid as well, but I agree the Canucks are looking very good at the back end. My only concern is that the team has 8 NHL defensemen, so they might try to move one of them. After they made the trade for Ehroff and Lukowich I don't see any reason why they should have brought Schneider. The depth is nice but its going to create a cap issue. Schneider might clear waivers so they can send him to the minors if they decided to go that route.
I have faith in Mike Gillis to do what it takes to win even if I can't see what his plans are right away. Its definitely a nice change of pace from the Nonis years where he would make a move or two and spend the rest of his summer twiddling his thumbs. I was actually against the firing of Nonis, but now I'm glad they made the change.
And who did they replace Camal with? Bertuzzi left too, while you can argue he wasnt a big factor but thats still two veteran forwards they lost there.
I feel this is the first time in a few years now that the NW is the Canucks to lose
Don't forget that Calgary added J-Bo so there defense is looking rock solid as well, but I agree the Canucks are looking very good at the back end. My only concern is that the team has 8 NHL defensemen, so they might try to move one of them. After they made the trade for Ehroff and Lukowich I don't see any reason why they should have brought Schneider. The depth is nice but its going to create a cap issue. Schneider might clear waivers so they can send him to the minors if they decided to go that route.
I have faith in Mike Gillis to do what it takes to win even if I can't see what his plans are right away. Its definitely a nice change of pace from the Nonis years where he would make a move or two and spend the rest of his summer twiddling his thumbs. I was actually against the firing of Nonis, but now I'm glad they made the change.
I don't see them sending Schneider to the minor, it lacks any logic. Why would they sign him and then decide to ship off to the minors? Why would Schneider sign with the Canucks in the first place if he wasn't assured that he would be in the top 6?
Well the buyout period is long over so that won't be an option. I just don't see the Canucks waiving a veteran they just traded for. Also Lukowich's contract is a lot more attractive than Schneider's so someone is more likely to claim him which leads me to believe Schneider would be the one they try and send to the minors and hold him for depth later on. Plus Schneider is coming off an injury and just not that attractive to a lot of teams. There was a reason that he wasn't signed until a week or so ago.
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and hearing some nice things about the guy, right hand shot, top 25 in the league in shots, getting that playing 3rd line in detroit bodes well for us, how many times have we heard the canucks dont shoot enough
listenin to blake price on the radio and he's suggesting perhaps we float an offer sheet to cam barker (ive been on this for a while, chicago has got great pieces on rfa and very little cap room to hold onto em), love to see that happen, chicago has so many big names lookin for substantial raises, they cant possibly keep everyone (kane/toews/keith all up for rfa next year)
potential for Chicago's RFA's hitting UFA ahead of schedule because their GM messed up
btw, Versteeg anyone?
Andrew Raycroft, 1 year $500k
O'Brien feels pricey but Raycroft is a steal imo.
League minimum for Raycroft?...sounds like a deal...however, what the hell does that mean to Cory Scheider?! I think he's going to be dealt.
and even tho he sucks, getting a goalie with half decent experience for league min is never a bad thing, we need the warm bodies
im guessing they will stick raycroft on the moose, and try to showcase schiender a bit then trade him away
edit: that or getting moved
Pogge's situation is completely different in that Toronto went through a number of goalies due to injuries and such last year.
Also hate to break it to you, one good game or two won't raise his stock much.
I also realize the Canucks situation is significantly different than the leafs from last year, but the same sort of plan can be made. Honestly, Raycroft sucks and Schneider is a better goalie than him. If the Canucks want to make sure that Schneider gets game time in the minors they might decide to call him up for a start every few weeks and let Raycroft warm the bench when Luongo is starting. In addition to getting Schneider more playing time this way, the Canucks would save money against the cap by having Schneider only up for a game at a time as opposed to having him be backup all season. I'm not saying it will happen but rather its something they can consider. Especially if Raycroft doesn't perform the way they would like in the pre-season or early on.
If he makes 7-8 starts this year and plays well in those games it will increase his trade value. General managers are much more willing to trade for a goaltender who has proven that he can succeed at the NHL level, even in small sample sizes, rather than just in minor leagues. Anything the Canucks can to do to increase him value without taking starts away from Luongo is worth pursuing because if the rumours of a Luongo extension are true then they will need to unload him.
Also, Schneider's entry level salary is higher than Raycroft's (just over 1mil I believe) - and that the cap hit is not calculated by games played but by number of days on roster. So calling him up for one game at a time is not the key issue, but whether there is limits on calling up/sending down within the same day (ie. game day, or game day + day before for practice with team, etc.)
But this is not good to showcase his skills because Schneider will lack regular communication with his defensemen resulting in what seems like poor decision making with the puck. Hell I'm pretty sure this happened when he was splitting time with Labarbera
Basically, it depends on how dire our cap situation is and whether theres an injury to one of the goalies in front of him. If we only have around 1-2m to spare for the season and neither Raycroft or Luongo gets hurt, Schneider simply will not see time. Also you're forgetting that when healthy, Luongo plays 70+ games. Thats hardly any games left for Raycroft, let alone Schneider to showcase himself.
melting: I know a season in the minors won't help his trade value considering the season he already had down there. Same goes for Hodgson and juniors. I for one is all for bringing our prospects up slow though.
schneider was a first rounder from 04, so we have developed him pretty slowly and is nhl ready now
TO got 'the monster' lol.. so prospects for a trade with them for kaberle mighta ended there
and ya i do like raycroft as lu'ie backup, some half decent xp, @league min, i aint gonna complain (hes actually getting paid more by the leafs for his buyout @700k, than the canucks are payin him this year, funny that)
hopefully, he can adjust and we can find a good place to slot him on our top 9 forward spots
I hope Hodgson takes over Sundin's spot on 2nd line C. Hes already a responsible 2 way forward and has plenty of offense. Putting him on a 3rd or 4th line really just wastes a year off of his contract.
And on Schneider, he really cant be moved until Luongo signs an extension. Even when Luongo is signed, I'm not big on moving Schneider for someone thats on the last year of his contract anyways (Kaberle) Blue chip goalie prospects dont come that often. If anything, I'd prefer a blue chip defense prospect coming back
Regardless though, communication is actually a big issue. Luongo even had it when he came back from his injury.
so basically a position swap of similar assets
Here is my take:
Minnesota: lost gaborik, but added havlat. Other than a few minor pickups i don't really seeing them doing much better than last year. They'll miss the playoffs i believe.
Edmonton: Hmm... this one is even stranger because of the heatley controversy. If heatley joins the oilers then they'll make the playoffs otherwise i don't think Khabibulin will be able to carry the load for this team like he did for chicago. They upgraded their goaltending though by getting the bulin wall which is better than roloson. Who knows i say they finish third in the division just making the playoffs.
Calgary: This is the main competition for the canucks every year. The rivalry we have with the flames is one of the best in the league. They lost a lot up front with Cammaleri going to Montreal, and bertuzzi still out there. Olli Jokinen isn't going to make that much of a difference and with Cammaleri gone, Iginla will struggle a bit. Their young guys should be ok but they lost depth on defense by losing leopold although they got Jay Bow. I say they finish a close second to vancouver in the division in the middle of the western conference.
Colorado: Although they got a great prospect in Matt Duschene, and their young guys should be better like Stastny, i really doubt they'll go from one of the worst teams to a division champion. They need one to three more years of rebuilding before they can go back to being a contender. Losing Sakic to retirement was also a loss on their part.
I saved the best for last
Our Dear Vancouver Canucks:
Offense: Resigning the sedins was a wise move, we didn't change the team too much but we didn't lose much wither. The sedins will be consisitent once again and with solid play from kesler, demitra, and burrows we should be ok. The young guys like Hodgson and Grabner should be decent on the team as well they have tremendous upside and skill.The only issue here is the Mats Sundin returning or not thing. If he returns we'll have two solid lines again with a solid thrid line. If not it's still ok as it'll give our prospects a spot on the team. Picking up a solid player like Samuelsson was a nice addition and he should be able to do quite well. If the salary arbitration thing works out the canucks will also have a solid centreman in Wellwood. The only loss up front isee might be Pyatt who is still a UFA.
Defense:Lost a workhorse in Ohlund, didn't add much to replace him yet. Salo needs to stay healthy and Bieksa and Edler need to continue developing into solid players. We need a top 4 defenseman though cause right now our defense is looking a bit weak.
Goaltending: Roberto Luongo, i really hope they get a contract extension done before the season starts so that will allow luongo to focus on the season and not the contract issue. He's easily one of the best goalies in the game and he gives us a chance to win every night. Raycroft is a nice backup alternative, he was cheap and he's got nhl experience. Depending on the training camp though Schneider might finally prove that he's ready for the NHL.
With all that being said i think the canucks are the least changed team from last season, barring injuries or a weird cinderella season from another division team i predict the canucks will repeat as division champions and will go into the second round of the playoffs again. I really think we're a puck moving defenseman and a top 6 forward away from the Cup Final.
I have faith in Mike Gillis to do what it takes to win even if I can't see what his plans are right away. Its definitely a nice change of pace from the Nonis years where he would make a move or two and spend the rest of his summer twiddling his thumbs. I was actually against the firing of Nonis, but now I'm glad they made the change.
I feel this is the first time in a few years now that the NW is the Canucks to lose