what the?!?!??!!?!??!?! i live in east van(kind of near a skytrain station too)... i don't understand why people have such distored views of east vancouver...to even compare east van to surrey is absolutely absurd.
What the?!?!?! I don't understand why people have such distorted views of Surrey!
I don't live in East Van., and I'm only use it as a comparison based on the few times that I've been there. When people say Surrey, they think of Whalley. When I think of East Van., I think of Hastings and the Downtown east side.
then you guys should collectively port him at the science department.. demand a response or some sort of apology..
I doubt the Biology Department will do anything about it. First of all, T-Money is not even in the professor's class, so what went down between the prof and T-Money is not even the Biology Department's concern. Second of all, you are just going to embarass yourself if you even think about complaining him. Think about it, who do you think the Department is going to side with, some guy who walked in on an exam or a distinguished and well respected professor?
DaNoobie;53180 said:
shouldnt you still be in high school at 17?
A few of our members were prospective students when they joined TalkSFU. Also, I didn't turn 18 until the end of my first semester in SFU.
Agentbob;53182 said:
What the?!?!?! I don't understand why people have such distorted views of Surrey!
Many of our recent gang killings took place in Surrey, so people would have a distorted view of Surrey. I would also like to say that Downtown East Side is a MUCH WORSE place than Surrey. While I haven't been to Surrey often, but I don't see people bunching up sharing a cigarette or whatever-the-hell they are doing or used needles everywhere while I was around. As for DTES, I see people milling around the Carnegie Community Centre and the recycling place doing whatever-the-hell they are doing everytime I went by the place.
I doubt the Biology Department will do anything about it. First of all, T-Money is not even in the professor's class, so what went down between the prof and T-Money is not even the Biology Department's concern. Second of all, you are just going to embarass yourself if you even think about complaining him. Think about it, who do you think the Department is going to side with, some guy who walked in on an exam or a distinguished and well respected professor?
well he's a biology professor.. so he answers to the biology department.. technically you could go port him in the general office or something.. but it'll probably just get deferred back to the respective department anyway..
that's the point.. you go and tear down that distinguished and well respected professor act he's putting up.. i don't know about you.. but i respect profs and i demand that same respect from them to me as well.. so if they flip me off like that be sure there's going to be hell to pay.. plus it's not a single case.. T-Money mentioned that other classmates got effed off by him too.. that just makes it more convincing that the prof did do what he did..
i just think he could've told people nicely that there's an exam going instead of going vulgar.. he's an educated person.. educated people are supposed to be civilized..
a guy got shot and killed right by my house...didnt stop me from taking my dog for a walk down the street, but u gotta remember im not like you regular folk, im pretty gangster :P
Is reporting him to the department actually going to do anything? Chances are the guy has tenure, and anything short of murder will not get him any trouble with the school.
Besides, so what? He told you to fuck off. Oh no! There are assholes everywhere, are you going to tell on all of them when they say something mean to you?
In the professor's defense, you did walk into the middle of his exam. This whole thing is slight misconduct at best.
a guy got shot and killed right by my house...didnt stop me from taking my dog for a walk down the street, but u gotta remember im not like you regular folk, im pretty gangster :P
wait are u putting panorama ridge in the same category as whalley?
My guess is its because Panorama ridge is where the not as wealthy rich South Surrey people live and North Surrey is the area for the not so poor impoverished people live?
well he's a biology professor.. so he answers to the biology department.. technically you could go port him in the general office or something.. but it'll probably just get deferred back to the respective department anyway..
Even if we assume that this incident merits a complain, the Biology Department wouldn't and shouldn't even get involved. Reason: T-Money is not even in the prof's class. The Biology Department should only be involved if students have genuine complain about their professors (ie: REAL unprofessionalism, bias, not doing his marking and teaching, skipping office hours...) , not some random guy who can' take a vulgarity. Finally, T-Money wouldn't even know the Prof was a Biology prof if he wasn't nosing around.
For example, if I am talking trash about Canadian Studies with some people and a Canadian Studies prof tell me to go fuc* myself, would I complain to the Center for Canadian Studies ? No, because...
1.) I would take that as a complement and a major accomplishment because the prof is not intellectually mature enough to respond to my criticism
2.) This happen outside (both literally and figuratively because I am not in his Canadian Studies class) of class
3.) Center for Canadian Studies is dead.
Another example, we have a radical feminist in the History Department call Elise Chenier. Let's say she is on the street in some anti-domestic abuse rally and she made a few off hand anti-men remarks and some random guy can't take it, would he come up to SFU History Department to complain about her?
Even if we assume that this incident merits a complain, the Biology Department wouldn't an shouldn't even get involved. Reason: T-Money is not even in the prof's class. The Biology Department should only be involved if students have genuine complain about their professors, not some random guy who can' take a vulgarity.
For example, if I am talking trash about Canadian Studies with some people and a Canadian Studies prof tell me to go fuc* myself, would I complain to the Center for Canadian Studies ? No, because...
1.) I would take that as a complement and a major accomplishment because the prof is not intellectually mature enough to respond to my criticism
2.) This happen outside (both literally and figuratively because I am not in his Canadian Studies class) of class
2.) Center for Canadian Studies is dead.
Your arguments are pretty weak. Complaining to the biology department, even if it achieves nothing, sets a precedence that this professor is incredibly unprofessional. Furthermore, being an accomplished professor, his behaviour reflects very poorly on the SFU Biology department.
Just because you won't complain for those reasons do not mean those are valid reasons. In fact, I would argue that he can teach his class however he wants, so if he choose to randomly spew profanity in his class to make his point, then so be it. But if he was directing his profanity at students, it should not matter who the student is, whether the student is in his or her class or not, or where the incident happened. Saying Center for Canadian Studies is dead is just retarded imo. Biology is not dead in case you didn't realize, and that's the department in question. Why you raised Canadian studies is beyond me.
If you're just saying what you would do, then go right ahead. But if you're saying someone should not complain to the biology department because thats not something you would do, then thats just a fucking retarded argument and you should know better.
Bottom line, being treated with respect is a right, not a privilege. Just because hes an accomplished professor does not mean he can speak with students this way.
Even if we assume that this incident merits a complain, the Biology Department wouldn't and shouldn't even get involved. Reason: T-Money is not even in the prof's class. The Biology Department should only be involved if students have genuine complain about their professors (ie: REAL unprofessionalism, bias, not doing his marking and teaching, skipping office hours...) , not some random guy who can' take a vulgarity. Finally, T-Money wouldn't even know the Prof was a Biology prof if he wasn't nosing around.
For example, if I am talking trash about Canadian Studies with some people and a Canadian Studies prof tell me to go fuc* myself, would I complain to the Center for Canadian Studies ? No, because...
1.) I would take that as a complement and a major accomplishment because the prof is not intellectually mature enough to respond to my criticism
2.) This happen outside (both literally and figuratively because I am not in his Canadian Studies class) of class
3.) Center for Canadian Studies is dead.
Another example, we have a radical feminist in the History Department call Elise Chenier. Let's say she is on the street in some anti-domestic abuse rally and she made a few off hand anti-men remarks and some random guy can't take it, would he come up to SFU History Department to complain about her?
but the OP wasn't trash talking.. if that was the case then he is deserving of the vulgarity.. here he didn't initiate the conflict but merely stepped into the lecture room not knowing there was an exam going on.. it was a honest mistake.. i don't think he deserved that kind of treatment for an unintentional gesture...
so from my interpretation.. what you're saying is that you're only allowed to complain to the professor associated with your department.. and take crap from other profs outside of it? or that departments aren't gonna take you seriously if you're not part of their faculty? :confused: if this is how departments run themselves then SFU has a huge problem..=S
that's in a different context.. she's rallying as a citizen and not as a professor from the SFU History Department.. now with the OP's case.. the professor is on SFU grounds.. acting as a SFU professor (since he's invigilating an exam) and proceeded to swear at an SFU student.. i just think that at some point.. an explanation should be provided for this kind of off-handed behaviour..
But if he was directing his profanity at students, it should not matter who the student is, whether the student is in his or her class or not, or where the incident happened.
What the professor do to the people outside of his class is none of the department's business. If the professor is swearing at people who ARE in his class, then the Department should get involved.
Saying Center for Canadian Studies is dead is just retarded imo.
In case you haven't heard the news yet, Canadian Studies in SFU IS dead and I would have nobody to complain to.
This also brings me to another point. If it takes killing the whole Canadian Studies program to get rid of a REAL unprofessional non-tenured Associate Professor, what makes you think your complain will get rid of or get an apology from a tenured, and may I add good, Professor?
Bottom line, being treated with respect is a right, not a privilege. Just because hes an accomplished professor does not mean he can speak with students this way.
Didn't you read my post that I do agree that he is rude, but this is none of the Biology Department's concern. Just to clarify, I do not approve of the Professor's action and I do agree that he could have been nicer, but I am just saying that this is a non-issue and the Department will not do anything about it.
siuying;53201 said:
but the OP wasn't trash talking.. if that was the case then he is deserving of the vulgarity.. here he didn't initiate the conflict but merely stepped into the lecture room not knowing there was an exam going on.. it was a honest mistake.. i don't think he deserved that kind of treatment for an unintentional gesture...
Don't get me wrong, I am shocked that the prof tell T-Money to "fuc* off." Please don't mistaken me for defending the professor.
so from my interpretation.. what you're saying is that you're only allowed to complain to the professor associated with your department.. and take crap from other profs outside of it? or that departments aren't gonna take you seriously if you're not part of their faculty? :confused: if this is how departments run themselves then SFU has a huge problem..=S
You can complain all you want (who am I to say that you shouldn't complain), but being the cynic that I am, you are just wasting time. Even in instances where students have a dispute with their professor, departments rarely get involved.
T-Money, instead of complaining to us, why don't you actually go and complain to the Department? Oh wait, you already have. Have they replied? How about you write to The Peak? Summer semester probably is the best time get your stuff published!
*Sarcasm* I am pretty sure this is of great concern for the Department and Professor who, at the moment, are dealing with things like filing marks for this semester and preparing courses for next semester and issues such as the funding cuts.
Re: Canadian Studies- it is irrelevant since biology is alive and well. And no, I didnt hear about SFU's Canadian studies department.
Re: Behaviour of prof outside of class- it is entirely applicable. Like Campbell drinking and driving in Hawaii, or if our Prime Minister had sworn outside of parliament, their behaviour outside of their work IS an issue
I would think they did not shut down CNS just to get rid of an unprofessional professor either. So I'm not sure where you're going on with that tangent. Also, complaining about his behaviour has nothing to do with getting rid of the professor. It is merely letting the department aware of his behaviour. Like dogs that bite people, they're not put down on the first offense. If your neighbours dog bit you, would you not complain thinking "oh, it'll take a few more bites before hes put down?"
This is NOT a non-issue. I'm sure the department will be interested to keep things from getting blown up even if its only in the interest in upholding the image and reputation of the department.
I'm pretty sure the Biology department don't want SFU students to think their professors respond in honest mistakes by saying fu*k you. It is an issue because that professor represents the Biology department in that moment. I would be shocked if the department doesn't care about their professors mouthing off at students with hostile intentions.
Well the chair e-mailed me back and set up a meeting between us and the prof sometimes next week. I'm done exams and have no interest in coming back up the mountain so I won't be going to the meeting, and besides, I just kind of dropped the issue but my classmates are still upset so they're going.
I understand why the prof would tell me off but he overreacted and did it in a poor manner while at school. If the prof didn't want anyone walking in, then maybe he should've put up a sign. If he did this outside, I wouldn't even care.
I'm pretty sure the Biology department don't want SFU students to think their professors respond in honest mistakes by saying fu*k you. It is an issue because that professor represents the Biology department in that moment. I would be shocked if the department doesn't care about their professors mouthing off at students with hostile intentions.
Ya, im sure his intentions were hostile. It was just a matter of time before he pulled out his strap and put 2 in his kneecaps....i mean what else can "fuck off" mean.... it wasnt an honest mistake, this guy is an idiot for going in first of all, oh wait he was "half asleep" right
Well the chair e-mailed me back and set up a meeting between us and the prof sometimes next week. I'm done exams and have no interest in coming back up the mountain so I won't be going to the meeting, and besides, I just kind of dropped the issue but my classmates are still upset so they're going.
Wow, Biology Department actually responded. There goes my whole argument that Departments always protects their own, especially against someone who is not even in his class... But then again, the professor could be unapologetic and the department, intimidated, would have little intention to pursuit the matter further.
T-Money, since you are the one that raised the issue and the one who emailed the chair, you have to go. After all, the chair may even call the meeting off.
DaNoobie;53209 said:
Re: Behaviour of prof outside of class- it is entirely applicable. Like Campbell drinking and driving in Hawaii, or if our Prime Minister had sworn outside of parliament, their behaviour outside of their work IS an issue
I fully expect the prof to be mature enough to govern his own action. If T-Money got issue with the professor, he should go straight for the guy and not complain to some higher up.
Regarding your PM sworn example, didn't Pierre Trudeau once flipped the bird to a bunch of protesters right in front of the press?
I would think they did not shut down CNS just to get rid of an unprofessional professor either. So I'm not sure where you're going on with that tangent.
I mentioned CNS as a way to illustrate that getting rid of professors is very difficult due to the tenure system. I mentioned the CNS example because the CNS department have quite a number of bad professors and, even after semesters after semesters worth of complains, they are still hired. Only through killing the Department did these professors lose their job.
Also, complaining about his behaviour has nothing to do with getting rid of the professor. It is merely letting the department aware of his behaviour. Like dogs that bite people, they're not put down on the first offense. If your neighbours dog bit you, would you not complain thinking "oh, it'll take a few more bites before hes put down?"
Ok, that's valid.
This is NOT a non-issue. I'm sure the department will be interested to keep things from getting blown up even if its only in the interest in upholding the image and reputation of the department.
Oh yeah, like one Prof yelling at a guy who walked-in on an exam is going to damage the reputation of the Biology Department...
Like I said, it wasnt about getting rid of the guy. Going to the prof, he'll just tell you guys off again. Going to the department, someone will keep him in line one way or another. If word got out there that Bio Prof tells students to fuck off, after the 3rd time its passed around, it becomes several bio profs tell students to fuck off routinely. Singular becomes plural, and context no longer applies. Theres a reason why things dont want to be blown out of proportion (or swept under the rug) from the department's point of view. It is after all, for their own interest. Not sure why this is so hard for you to see... and evident to my point, a meeting has been set up with the professor with the students by the department chair according to op.
I think what you hotheads are missing here is that: It sounds like it is the prof's last term before retirement--so I highly doubt he gives a shit that he hurt a couple of student's feelings.
Besides, it's always refreshing to have profs who are more human (crazy, profanity-using, fuckers) who will NOTICE you, than the profs who are "holier-than-thou"--you know, the ones who give lectures while staring blankly at everyone, pretending you're all not there.
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I don't live in East Van., and I'm only use it as a comparison based on the few times that I've been there. When people say Surrey, they think of Whalley. When I think of East Van., I think of Hastings and the Downtown east side.
Theres a big difference between north surrey and whalley, and south surrey or panorama ridge.
that's the point.. you go and tear down that distinguished and well respected professor act he's putting up.. i don't know about you.. but i respect profs and i demand that same respect from them to me as well.. so if they flip me off like that be sure there's going to be hell to pay.. plus it's not a single case.. T-Money mentioned that other classmates got effed off by him too.. that just makes it more convincing that the prof did do what he did..
i just think he could've told people nicely that there's an exam going instead of going vulgar.. he's an educated person.. educated people are supposed to be civilized..
Places have their gems, but people don't bother venturing out of a central area of a given city.
Besides, so what? He told you to fuck off. Oh no! There are assholes everywhere, are you going to tell on all of them when they say something mean to you?
In the professor's defense, you did walk into the middle of his exam. This whole thing is slight misconduct at best.
For example, if I am talking trash about Canadian Studies with some people and a Canadian Studies prof tell me to go fuc* myself, would I complain to the Center for Canadian Studies ? No, because...
1.) I would take that as a complement and a major accomplishment because the prof is not intellectually mature enough to respond to my criticism
2.) This happen outside (both literally and figuratively because I am not in his Canadian Studies class) of class
3.) Center for Canadian Studies is dead.
Another example, we have a radical feminist in the History Department call Elise Chenier. Let's say she is on the street in some anti-domestic abuse rally and she made a few off hand anti-men remarks and some random guy can't take it, would he come up to SFU History Department to complain about her?
Just because you won't complain for those reasons do not mean those are valid reasons. In fact, I would argue that he can teach his class however he wants, so if he choose to randomly spew profanity in his class to make his point, then so be it. But if he was directing his profanity at students, it should not matter who the student is, whether the student is in his or her class or not, or where the incident happened. Saying Center for Canadian Studies is dead is just retarded imo. Biology is not dead in case you didn't realize, and that's the department in question. Why you raised Canadian studies is beyond me.
If you're just saying what you would do, then go right ahead. But if you're saying someone should not complain to the biology department because thats not something you would do, then thats just a fucking retarded argument and you should know better.
Bottom line, being treated with respect is a right, not a privilege. Just because hes an accomplished professor does not mean he can speak with students this way.
so from my interpretation.. what you're saying is that you're only allowed to complain to the professor associated with your department.. and take crap from other profs outside of it? or that departments aren't gonna take you seriously if you're not part of their faculty? :confused: if this is how departments run themselves then SFU has a huge problem..=S
that's in a different context.. she's rallying as a citizen and not as a professor from the SFU History Department.. now with the OP's case.. the professor is on SFU grounds.. acting as a SFU professor (since he's invigilating an exam) and proceeded to swear at an SFU student.. i just think that at some point.. an explanation should be provided for this kind of off-handed behaviour..
This also brings me to another point. If it takes killing the whole Canadian Studies program to get rid of a REAL unprofessional non-tenured Associate Professor, what makes you think your complain will get rid of or get an apology from a tenured, and may I add good, Professor? Didn't you read my post that I do agree that he is rude, but this is none of the Biology Department's concern. Just to clarify, I do not approve of the Professor's action and I do agree that he could have been nicer, but I am just saying that this is a non-issue and the Department will not do anything about it. Don't get me wrong, I am shocked that the prof tell T-Money to "fuc* off." Please don't mistaken me for defending the professor. You can complain all you want (who am I to say that you shouldn't complain), but being the cynic that I am, you are just wasting time. Even in instances where students have a dispute with their professor, departments rarely get involved.
T-Money, instead of complaining to us, why don't you actually go and complain to the Department? Oh wait, you already have. Have they replied? How about you write to The Peak? Summer semester probably is the best time get your stuff published!
*Sarcasm* I am pretty sure this is of great concern for the Department and Professor who, at the moment, are dealing with things like filing marks for this semester and preparing courses for next semester and issues such as the funding cuts.
Re: Behaviour of prof outside of class- it is entirely applicable. Like Campbell drinking and driving in Hawaii, or if our Prime Minister had sworn outside of parliament, their behaviour outside of their work IS an issue
I would think they did not shut down CNS just to get rid of an unprofessional professor either. So I'm not sure where you're going on with that tangent.
Also, complaining about his behaviour has nothing to do with getting rid of the professor. It is merely letting the department aware of his behaviour. Like dogs that bite people, they're not put down on the first offense. If your neighbours dog bit you, would you not complain thinking "oh, it'll take a few more bites before hes put down?"
This is NOT a non-issue. I'm sure the department will be interested to keep things from getting blown up even if its only in the interest in upholding the image and reputation of the department.
I understand why the prof would tell me off but he overreacted and did it in a poor manner while at school. If the prof didn't want anyone walking in, then maybe he should've put up a sign. If he did this outside, I wouldn't even care.
it wasnt an honest mistake, this guy is an idiot for going in first of all, oh wait he was "half asleep" right
T-Money, since you are the one that raised the issue and the one who emailed the chair, you have to go. After all, the chair may even call the meeting off. I fully expect the prof to be mature enough to govern his own action. If T-Money got issue with the professor, he should go straight for the guy and not complain to some higher up.
Regarding your PM sworn example, didn't Pierre Trudeau once flipped the bird to a bunch of protesters right in front of the press? I mentioned CNS as a way to illustrate that getting rid of professors is very difficult due to the tenure system. I mentioned the CNS example because the CNS department have quite a number of bad professors and, even after semesters after semesters worth of complains, they are still hired. Only through killing the Department did these professors lose their job. Ok, that's valid. Oh yeah, like one Prof yelling at a guy who walked-in on an exam is going to damage the reputation of the Biology Department...
If word got out there that Bio Prof tells students to fuck off, after the 3rd time its passed around, it becomes several bio profs tell students to fuck off routinely. Singular becomes plural, and context no longer applies. Theres a reason why things dont want to be blown out of proportion (or swept under the rug) from the department's point of view.
It is after all, for their own interest. Not sure why this is so hard for you to see... and evident to my point, a meeting has been set up with the professor with the students by the department chair according to op.
Besides, it's always refreshing to have profs who are more human (crazy, profanity-using, fuckers) who will NOTICE you, than the profs who are "holier-than-thou"--you know, the ones who give lectures while staring blankly at everyone, pretending you're all not there.