Capital Punishment should be reserved for more "serious" crimes.
Speaking of crime and punishment, can you guys believe that Vince Li, the man who decapitated another Greyhound rider Tim McLean last August, is found not criminally responsible for his crime due to his insanity plead!?
What's wrong with an NCRMD plea? It's probably going to be a lot harder for him to get out of a mental institution than a prison. Plus...decapitating a guy, then eating his head isn't exactly behavior you'd see in a mentally balanced individual.
Either way, people seem to think that pleading NCRMD and having it approved means getting off scot free. But it's probably going to be locked away in a mental institution for a while, mellowed out on drugs for quite some time.
What's wrong with an NCRMD plea? It's probably going to be a lot harder for him to get out of a mental institution than a prison.
I guess getting sent to a mental institute with a NCRMD plead pretty much does the same thing as prison: locked him up to keep society and himself safe.
But I just found this decision to be rather unfair to the victim and his family. Essentally, Vince Li will do his time in an institute, get treated, and IF his Dr. give him the all-clear, he MAY be released back to society with little to no probation and no criminal record. Tim McLean will never get any sort of justice for what happened to him.
But I understand your point, if it gets him off the street, then it is all good.
Either way, people seem to think that pleading NCRMD and having it approved means getting off scot free. But it's probably going to be locked away in a mental institution for a while, mellowed out on drugs for quite some time.
I am worried that this may set the precedence for anyone who committed any heinous crime to plead to plead insanity and go to a mental institute. I personally don't know how hard or easy it is to get an insanity plead, but the point is that you CAN get an insanity plead even if you are not insane. You just need a good lawyer and a Dr. that is dumb or corrupted enough to testify in your favor.
Once your are in the institution, you can slowly make "progress" while enjoying better treatments compare to prison. Depending on facilities, people staying mental asylums tend to get better treatments. You probably get your own room, therapy, good food, and other amenities.
I felt that making the insanity plead will be rather popular mean for criminals to get off the hook...
What's wrong with an NCRMD plea? It's probably going to be a lot harder for him to get out of a mental institution than a prison. Plus...decapitating a guy, then eating his head isn't exactly behavior you'd see in a mentally balanced individual.
Either way, people seem to think that pleading NCRMD and having it approved means getting off scot free. But it's probably going to be locked away in a mental institution for a while, mellowed out on drugs for quite some time.
not completely sure how this works but theres always the possibility of him being fine and using an insanity plea to get a less time If he is normal do they evaluate him sooner or later and release him if hes made "progress"
This is where I think people are always asking the wrong question. They hear that some guy has his NCRMD plea approved, and throw a fit because "what if he's faking it?". Well, I think the correct question is: "what if he actually has a mental disorder?"
Okay, so if he's faking it, he spends some time in an institute, and if he shows progress, they'll let him out. But you have to remember, they don't just let these guys out to do as they please. First, they must pass risk assessment tests to be released, ie. the HCR-20, VRAG, PCL-R, what have you. And based on this appraisal, they're released with supervision. So that decreases the odds of them committing another crime.
Now, you're probably saying, "fine, he'll be supervised and probably won't be able to kill another person again, but he still got off pretty easy for the original murder". Okay...fair enough, but I'd rather have a "faker" out in the streets, minus the ability to commit a crime again, than see an 'innocent', mentally disordered person serving a life sentence (I put innocent in quotes because he still committed the original crime, but not with criminal intent. Read the M'Naghten rules regarding NCRMD).
I see it this way: what's done is done. Has justice been served either way? Yes, I believe it has. It's just not served in that eye-for-an-eye justice system that most people want to see.
Oh, I see. I guess putting fakers into mental institutes would also serves as a mean to get them off the street for treatment and rehabilitation. And yeah, I agree, putting people with genuine mental disorder into prison is very dangerous.
P.S Sorry about derailing the thread. I will try to steer people back toward the nugget crisis, I guess my idea of having them spend a week at the energencey call center would be a way for treatment and rehabilitation.
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Almost a month ago, there was a similiar story in that a man called 911 complaining about not getting the drink he wanted. He later got arrested and charged with misusing 911...
I don't know about you, but I think these people should spend a week at the emergency call center and learn what 911 is REALLY FOR.
Speaking of crime and punishment, can you guys believe that Vince Li, the man who decapitated another Greyhound rider Tim McLean last August, is found not criminally responsible for his crime due to his insanity plead!?
Either way, people seem to think that pleading NCRMD and having it approved means getting off scot free. But it's probably going to be locked away in a mental institution for a while, mellowed out on drugs for quite some time.
But I just found this decision to be rather unfair to the victim and his family. Essentally, Vince Li will do his time in an institute, get treated, and IF his Dr. give him the all-clear, he MAY be released back to society with little to no probation and no criminal record. Tim McLean will never get any sort of justice for what happened to him.
But I understand your point, if it gets him off the street, then it is all good. I am worried that this may set the precedence for anyone who committed any heinous crime to plead to plead insanity and go to a mental institute. I personally don't know how hard or easy it is to get an insanity plead, but the point is that you CAN get an insanity plead even if you are not insane. You just need a good lawyer and a Dr. that is dumb or corrupted enough to testify in your favor.
Once your are in the institution, you can slowly make "progress" while enjoying better treatments compare to prison. Depending on facilities, people staying mental asylums tend to get better treatments. You probably get your own room, therapy, good food, and other amenities.
I felt that making the insanity plead will be rather popular mean for criminals to get off the hook...
If he is normal do they evaluate him sooner or later and release him if hes made "progress"
Okay, so if he's faking it, he spends some time in an institute, and if he shows progress, they'll let him out. But you have to remember, they don't just let these guys out to do as they please. First, they must pass risk assessment tests to be released, ie. the HCR-20, VRAG, PCL-R, what have you. And based on this appraisal, they're released with supervision. So that decreases the odds of them committing another crime.
Now, you're probably saying, "fine, he'll be supervised and probably won't be able to kill another person again, but he still got off pretty easy for the original murder". Okay...fair enough, but I'd rather have a "faker" out in the streets, minus the ability to commit a crime again, than see an 'innocent', mentally disordered person serving a life sentence (I put innocent in quotes because he still committed the original crime, but not with criminal intent. Read the M'Naghten rules regarding NCRMD).
I see it this way: what's done is done. Has justice been served either way? Yes, I believe it has. It's just not served in that eye-for-an-eye justice system that most people want to see.
P.S Sorry about derailing the thread. I will try to steer people back toward the nugget crisis, I guess my idea of having them spend a week at the energencey call center would be a way for treatment and rehabilitation.
imagine losing 500 nuggets worth of money...that'll show her
Apparently everyone calls it.