i believe i've answered this question from you before.. but as randomuser pointed out.. you don't like to navigate through the pages of a thread.. let alone posts.. so i would assume you wouldn't be able to sift through this forum and find the answer to your question..
Seriously, read the studies. The stereotype about size has a shred of truth to it but the form posted in this thread can safely be called an urban legend, and actually a damaging racial stereotype:
Any relationship between size and satisfaction is dependent on the individual woman in question; remember their bits vary in size as well. So yes, there are size queens out there who want the biggest they can get but there are also plenty of girls who find larger organs painful. Most of the nerve endings inside of the vagina are in the first two inches.
And finally, let's talk about the clitoris: It isn't a little magic button just at the surface, most of it is internal, behind the labia majora. What this means is that pressure on the surface can often be much more effective at inducing orgasm then penetration of any kind. If you want to blow your girl's mind then work on your oral skills and most of all be communicative and receptive.
Absolutely nothing will enhance your sex life more than knowing what your partner wants. Tell your partner what gets you going, make sure you know what drives her crazy, and stop worrying about playground rumors of scary black dicks.
Seriously, read the studies. The stereotype about size has a shred of truth to it but the form posted in this thread can safely be called an urban legend, and actually a damaging racial stereotype:
Any relationship between size and satisfaction is dependent on the individual woman in question; remember their bits vary in size as well. So yes, there are size queens out there who want the biggest they can get but there are also plenty of girls who find larger organs painful. Most of the nerve endings inside of the vagina are in the first two inches.
And finally, let's talk about the clitoris: It isn't a little magic button just at the surface, most of it is internal, behind the labia majora. What this means is that pressure on the surface can often be much more effective at inducing orgasm then penetration of any kind. If you want to blow your girl's mind then work on your oral skills and most of all be communicative and receptive.
Absolutely nothing will enhance your sex life more than knowing what your partner wants. Tell your partner what gets you going, make sure you know what drives her crazy, and stop worrying about playground rumors of scary black dicks.
You're pretty defensive about this whole issue. Are you asian, by any chance?
You're pretty defensive about this whole issue. Are you asian, by any chance?
Edit: On second thought, not getting into internet slap fight with a lame troll. Bottom line, the info I posted is accurate and the other posts I referenced are retarded regardless of who I am or why I posted.
I don't know what Maury episodes you watch, but the ones I see are always some fat white chick who can't find her babies daddy, black or white, with the four guys being tested on stage.
How many Asian people have you seen on Maury besides the audience? Hahahaa
I've determined that overall you're a pretty good poster so don't take my responses as hostile, but this is not really true. Asking why someone finds a particular race attractive is like asking why is turned on by high heels or glasses or saran wrap or stuffed animals or any of the myriad other things that turn people on. But the question in this case has a pretty nasty subtext to it, which I'm sure is not intentional. Should girls not like black men? Is supposed penis size the only redeeming quality of the otherwise deficient black male? Of course not. Girls like black men for essentially the same reasons they like other men. I can see asking about racial preferences in general-- I would be interested to see the responses to that-- but singling out any one ethnic background reeks of prejudice and insecurity.
I don't think anyone ever specifically denied that. My points were that people's definitions of large and small are extremely skewed, and that the importance of size is grossly exaggerated. Of course it's important to an extent but not to the extent that people commonly think. Take this wikipedia snippet for example:
A 2005 Internet survey of 52,031 heterosexual men and women found only 55 percent of participating men were satisfied with their penis size, whereas 85 percent of participating women said they were "very satisfied" with the size of their partner's penis, and only six percent of women rated their partner as smaller than average. In the same data set, 70 percent of women expressed dissatisfaction with their breasts, whereas the majority of men (56 percent) were satisfied with their partner's breasts and only 20 percent of men wished their partner had larger breasts.
See the disjunction? Yes, if you are in the 3 inch range and preternaturally thin there might be a problem but 4 and up you're pretty much okay. Combine that with this:
According to some sex researchers and therapists, several misconceptions have developed surrounding penile-vaginal intercourse. Many men exaggerate the importance of deep vaginal penetration in stimulating a woman to orgasm.[who?]
The most sensitive area of the female genitals includes the vulva, clitoris, and the section of vagina closest to the outside of a woman's body, which is roughly 10 centimeters (4 in) in length. Research has found that portions of the clitoris extend into the vulva and vagina. Given that the median penis size is above this length, the majority of penises are of sufficient length to fully satisfy their partners.
And you start to get the picture. And even in terms of how much it takes to satisfy you randomuser, you probably don't really know do you? Unless you've measured all your boyfriends you just have their estimate and your estimate to go on; they're not reliable and could be inaccurate in either direction, you're going to overestimate because when it's right next to your face it looks bigger. This is to say nothing of the fact that I mentioned above about female orgasm and penetrative sex in general.
So the problem isn't so much that penis size isn't important, it's that everyone talking about how important it is knows absolutely dick about dick.
Edit: Can I join the No-IVT Club and if so is dick size a criterion for getting in?
Well in the first quote you have, maybe the men with the smaller penises aren't coupled and thus didn't participate?
I'm not talking about function in regards to importance...its just weird looking at a "small" one, I once went out with a guy a few times, and once I saw the size it actually ended it. Maybe it could have done the job, but aesthitcally it was a shock.
The internet survey isn't perfect but other surveys about what people think is average vs. what is line up with it. Studies about how much women care about size also contradict the hypothesis that you just pulled out of thin air without actually looking at any data.
I'm not saying no one cares, because they do. Especially with all the reinforcement from advertising and pop culture in general. The issue is that people's numerical idea of size it totally divorced from physical reality. Sure there are some dicks out there that are too small for you; there are tits that are too lobsided for me but they aren't the norm. I'm sorry you had to undergo the ordeal of seeing a small and unsightly penis, but your experience only demonstrates a trivial truth that has no bearing on the issue.
Again: Size is important to varying degrees to various people, but the numbers they use to describe it and their ideas about what is average are almost universally wrong.
What do you mean pulled out of thin air? I am a woman, and I am sharing my thoughts on the matter.
I dont think women in general have illusions as to what are average sized penises are with guys. Most guys exaggerate and we aren't fooled by these illusions of grandeur. I won't speak for everyone, but I can say most of us don't go around thinking guys have 7 inch dicks as average. Any girl thats seen a few can get an idea what average is.
Maybe guys are worried about their penises not being average and women about their breasts not being average, but I'm pretty sure all women will say a 2 inch dick is tiny. I don't have a problem making the claim that 2-4 inches is small, and 4-6 average, and 6+ more than average...in my experience anyway, not that I've had hundreds of samples.
I saw this documentary on discovery channel saying that women get aroused by the outer skin/layer because that's where the sensitive nerves are, not by the tube within. But yeah, of course I wouldn't know, anybody willing to confirm this?
I was referring to your creative theory about the sampling method.
randomuser;46857 said:
Any girl thats seen a few can get an idea what average is.
No, she can't. She can get an idea of the average of the ones she's seen. Read that again. One more time. If you have room for a Q breadth I highly recommend you make it a statistics course. Or a logic course (I'm serious about the logic one because Horban fucking rocks). But I digress.
randomuser;46857 said:
Maybe guys are worried about their penises not being average and women about their breasts not being average, but I'm pretty sure all women will say a 2 inch dick is tiny.
Yes, and no one ever said it wasn't. The point is that men might think that they're four inches when in fact they're six, or might think that their five inch wang is below average, and that women like you might encourage these misconceptions because you don't understand basic logic.
randomuser;46857 said:
I don't have a problem making the claim that 2-4 inches is small, and 4-6 average, and 6+ more than average...in my experience anyway, not that I've had hundreds of samples.
This happens to be largely correct, but it still doesn't matter what your experience is. It doesn't matter if the men in your life constitute a perfect representative sample or if you've never even seen an erect penis. The facts remain unchanged, and they remain the only sensible way to draw conclusions about large populations.
In any case this has been a massive derail. To reiterate my original point: The black=big penis stereotype is actually incredibly racist and is part of a whole stupid universe of urban-legend-voodoo-hearsay-made-up bullshit about dick size. All of the information you need is HERE. Either read it or shut the fuck up.
^why don't you just chill and relax? i assure that most people who replied to this thread don't hold any malicious intentions against black men.. and if their replies do seem that way.. it's because they're just poking fun aka: humour...
now i can also assure you that no one wants to be publicly educated on sex in a public forum.. you've already posted the links for reference.. and good for you.. because if anyone has questions or concerns they will visit those links you've provided (or come to you for answers) there's no need to hack away on this subject like this and proceed to telling people to STFU
I was referring to your creative theory about the sampling method.
No, she can't. She can get an idea of the average of the ones she's seen. Read that again. One more time. If you have room for a Q breadth I highly recommend you make it a statistics course. Or a logic course (I'm serious about the logic one because Horban fucking rocks). But I digress.
What creative theory? The sample was talking about satisfaction with their partners, was it not?
Are you a girl, or a gay male by the way? I'm just curious how many cocks you've seen.
I've taken several Q courses and enough to graduate for your information. Maybe if you have taken some, or paid enough attention, you'd know that a lot of things have a normal distribution. Why don't you go around campus and try to look at few guys erect penises, enough samples that your results aren't skewed to either way. You don't need to see an entirely population to know what is average, almost EVERY quantitative study uses samples to generalize to populations. Penis size is not that varied, thus you don't need a largely geographically dispersed sample.
Maybe a girl has seen only 12 inchers, but thats highly unlikely to encounter that many outliers, chances are if shes seen enough, any extremeities would have regressed to the mean and she would have an idea.
Penis sizes really aren't that varied, so I don't know what youre talking about. Girls are not as clueless about penis size as you are leading us on to be, instead of using studies you should take things right from the source. Girls don't even care about penis size unless it's really small.
Why are you telling us to learn about penis size on wikipedia of all pages...? I've lived life and seen enough.
If you want to educate us about penis size why don't you give us a site with amateur porn.
^why don't you just chill and relax? i assure that most people who replied to this thread don't hold any malicious intentions against black men.. and if their replies do seem that way.. it's because they're just poking fun aka: humour...
Some of them are posting anectdotal evidence suggesting they actually believe it; it doesn't need to be alicious to be racist and ignorant.
siuying;46894 said:
now i can also assure you that no one wants to be publicly educated on sex in a public forum..
That would certainly explain why they're using this forum to ask questions about... Wait...
siuying;46894 said:
kapeesh?
It's spelled "capice."
randomuser said:
What creative theory? The sample was talking about satisfaction with their partners, was it not?
randomuser said:
Are you a girl, or a gay male by the way? I'm just curious how many cocks you've seen.
Let your imagination run wild.
randomuser said:
Defensive rant about Q courses/continued misunderstanding of how statistics work
You just keep digging that hole deeper.
randomuser said:
Maybe a girl has seen only 12 inchers, but thats highly unlikely to encounter that many outliers, chances are if shes seen enough, any extremeities would have regressed to the mean and she would have an idea.
... And deeper, and deeper.
randomuser said:
Penis sizes really aren't that varied, so I don't know what youre talking about. Girls are not as clueless about penis size as you are leading us on to be, instead of using studies you should take things right from the source. Girls don't even care about penis size unless it's really small.
Based on studies and my own anecdotal evidence, yes they are. In fact let me put up a shiny new poll/thread to address the topic. Remember folks, vote without googling first.
Why are you telling us to learn about penis size on wikipedia of all pages...? I've lived life and seen enough.
Because while some wikipedia pages are unreliable, others are simply a collection of information from more reliable sources, which are helpfully cites at the bottom of the page. And it doesn't matter what you've seen because what's at issue is whether you're able to accurately quantify it, which pretty much no one is. You may have the numbers correct, and you obviously have your own preference correct, but you aren't aware of any discrepancy between the two. Unless you actually have measured all of your boyfriends that is.
If you want to educate us about penis size why don't you give us a site with amateur porn.
Okay, here's one, although the self-selected sample in amateur porn still won't tell you how accurate your estimates are because you can't measure the participants.
If you are going to try and discredit what I say at least use logic and address what I say through specific examples, and don't talk down to me / act condescending. I like how you are trying to tell women how they think through old studies not addressed at a sexually promiscuous generation.
Ask anyone around, I'm up for an online bitch-fight, but I'm done here, because I'm assuming you have a small penis and are not thinking rationally due to this.
^ You really haven't provided any specific examples apart from your own experience. ^
I any case it seems to me our disagreement boils down to our respective levels of optimism about people's competence. I tend to think people's default setting is "stupid". Browse around snopes for a while and look at the stuff people will mindlessly believe and repeat.
I see you've employed the classic logical formula "Argumentum ad dickjokum." Unfortunately for you it's a phallusy.
No hard feelings though; I am secure in my heteronormative gender identity, so unlike IVT I don't fly off the handle every time someone makes a joke at my expense on the internet.
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atleast have the decency look here: http://talksfu.ca/showthread.php?t=4206&page=14
ahah CLASSIC. (ALTHOUGH I feel sorry for the girl)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_penis_size
Seriously, read the studies. The stereotype about size has a shred of truth to it but the form posted in this thread can safely be called an urban legend, and actually a damaging racial stereotype:
http://www.glreview.com/issues/13.1/13.1-smith.php
Any relationship between size and satisfaction is dependent on the individual woman in question; remember their bits vary in size as well. So yes, there are size queens out there who want the biggest they can get but there are also plenty of girls who find larger organs painful. Most of the nerve endings inside of the vagina are in the first two inches.
And finally, let's talk about the clitoris: It isn't a little magic button just at the surface, most of it is internal, behind the labia majora. What this means is that pressure on the surface can often be much more effective at inducing orgasm then penetration of any kind. If you want to blow your girl's mind then work on your oral skills and most of all be communicative and receptive.
Absolutely nothing will enhance your sex life more than knowing what your partner wants. Tell your partner what gets you going, make sure you know what drives her crazy, and stop worrying about playground rumors of scary black dicks.
.. but sure, whatever floats your boat =)
And yes, those numbers all add up,......so yeah, I'm asian =(
even if it does the job it doesnt look good, girls talk to each other too, doesnt have to be big, just not really small
So the problem isn't so much that penis size isn't important, it's that everyone talking about how important it is knows absolutely dick about dick.
Edit: Can I join the No-IVT Club and if so is dick size a criterion for getting in?
Edit2: Added a bit to make a real sentence.
I'm not talking about function in regards to importance...its just weird looking at a "small" one, I once went out with a guy a few times, and once I saw the size it actually ended it. Maybe it could have done the job, but aesthitcally it was a shock.
I'm not saying no one cares, because they do. Especially with all the reinforcement from advertising and pop culture in general. The issue is that people's numerical idea of size it totally divorced from physical reality. Sure there are some dicks out there that are too small for you; there are tits that are too lobsided for me but they aren't the norm. I'm sorry you had to undergo the ordeal of seeing a small and unsightly penis, but your experience only demonstrates a trivial truth that has no bearing on the issue.
Again: Size is important to varying degrees to various people, but the numbers they use to describe it and their ideas about what is average are almost universally wrong.
I dont think women in general have illusions as to what are average sized penises are with guys. Most guys exaggerate and we aren't fooled by these illusions of grandeur. I won't speak for everyone, but I can say most of us don't go around thinking guys have 7 inch dicks as average. Any girl thats seen a few can get an idea what average is.
Maybe guys are worried about their penises not being average and women about their breasts not being average, but I'm pretty sure all women will say a 2 inch dick is tiny. I don't have a problem making the claim that 2-4 inches is small, and 4-6 average, and 6+ more than average...in my experience anyway, not that I've had hundreds of samples.
In any case this has been a massive derail. To reiterate my original point: The black=big penis stereotype is actually incredibly racist and is part of a whole stupid universe of urban-legend-voodoo-hearsay-made-up bullshit about dick size. All of the information you need is HERE. Either read it or shut the fuck up.
now i can also assure you that no one wants to be publicly educated on sex in a public forum.. you've already posted the links for reference.. and good for you.. because if anyone has questions or concerns they will visit those links you've provided (or come to you for answers) there's no need to hack away on this subject like this and proceed to telling people to STFU
kapeesh?
Are you a girl, or a gay male by the way? I'm just curious how many cocks you've seen.
I've taken several Q courses and enough to graduate for your information. Maybe if you have taken some, or paid enough attention, you'd know that a lot of things have a normal distribution. Why don't you go around campus and try to look at few guys erect penises, enough samples that your results aren't skewed to either way. You don't need to see an entirely population to know what is average, almost EVERY quantitative study uses samples to generalize to populations. Penis size is not that varied, thus you don't need a largely geographically dispersed sample.
Maybe a girl has seen only 12 inchers, but thats highly unlikely to encounter that many outliers, chances are if shes seen enough, any extremeities would have regressed to the mean and she would have an idea.
Penis sizes really aren't that varied, so I don't know what youre talking about. Girls are not as clueless about penis size as you are leading us on to be, instead of using studies you should take things right from the source. Girls don't even care about penis size unless it's really small.
Why are you telling us to learn about penis size on wikipedia of all pages...? I've lived life and seen enough.
If you want to educate us about penis size why don't you give us a site with amateur porn.
It's spelled "capice." Let your imagination run wild. You just keep digging that hole deeper. ... And deeper, and deeper. Based on studies and my own anecdotal evidence, yes they are. In fact let me put up a shiny new poll/thread to address the topic. Remember folks, vote without googling first. Because while some wikipedia pages are unreliable, others are simply a collection of information from more reliable sources, which are helpfully cites at the bottom of the page. And it doesn't matter what you've seen because what's at issue is whether you're able to accurately quantify it, which pretty much no one is. You may have the numbers correct, and you obviously have your own preference correct, but you aren't aware of any discrepancy between the two. Unless you actually have measured all of your boyfriends that is. Okay, here's one, although the self-selected sample in amateur porn still won't tell you how accurate your estimates are because you can't measure the participants.
Edit: Quote tags!
If you are going to try and discredit what I say at least use logic and address what I say through specific examples, and don't talk down to me / act condescending. I like how you are trying to tell women how they think through old studies not addressed at a sexually promiscuous generation.
Ask anyone around, I'm up for an online bitch-fight, but I'm done here, because I'm assuming you have a small penis and are not thinking rationally due to this.
I any case it seems to me our disagreement boils down to our respective levels of optimism about people's competence. I tend to think people's default setting is "stupid". Browse around snopes for a while and look at the stuff people will mindlessly believe and repeat.
I see you've employed the classic logical formula "Argumentum ad dickjokum." Unfortunately for you it's a phallusy.
No hard feelings though; I am secure in my heteronormative gender identity, so unlike IVT I don't fly off the handle every time someone makes a joke at my expense on the internet.