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Middle East Crisis

edited January 2009 in General
Currently, there is a conflict going on between Palestinians and Israelis. I don't understand why the whole world doesn't want to bring any lasting solution to this problem that has encapsulated the world attention for the last 6 decades. Can you imagine, in less than 2 weeks, 900 Palestinians died and 3690 wounded. Likewise to Israelis, they inflicted some very minor causalities.

What do you guys think?
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  • edited January 2009
    I don't know enough to really have an opinion, but isn't a lot of this religious in nature, regarding who has ownership or entitlement to what 'sacred' land?

    Let them blow each other up until it's resolved, because no amount of outside intervention can change peoples moral convictions and make them think logically when religion is involved.
  • edited January 2009
    ive been mildly following this for a while, and both sides are at fault
    the palestinians/Hamas are angry because their land is occupied/run by Israel

    Israel doesn't want to to give up the land, and a couple of weeks ago someone (no one knows who, most of the american media thinks Hamas fired a rocket, but recently cnn claimed Israel did) broke the ceasefire. So now Israel is sick of this shit and is beating the fuck out of the gaza strip. Meanwhile, Hamas keeps firing rockets into Israel at random.

    Hamas also released a statement saying this whole fight was all about land and they want their land back. Religion is also a big factor though, apparently a lot of muslims hate jews, this might be applicable the other way around?

    Americas playing a huge part in this too. They been supplying Israel with weapons and stirring up shit in the UN. I have no idea what their intentions are though....maybe looking to start shit with Iran?
  • edited January 2009
    There is a conflict going on?
  • edited January 2009
    JayDub;45081 said:
    There is a conflict going on?
    is it a matter of grammar or subject-verb agreement correction?

    "And learn the English language just to share your observation
    Probably get a Grammy without a grammar education
    So fuck you school and fuck you immigration"

    Say something or shut the fuck up.
  • edited January 2009
    lazyGUY;45077 said:
    ive been mildly following this for a while, and both sides are at fault
    the palestinians/Hamas are angry because their land is occupied/run by Israel

    Israel doesn't want to to give up the land, and a couple of weeks ago someone (no one knows who, most of the american media thinks Hamas fired a rocket, but recently cnn claimed Israel did) broke the ceasefire. So now Israel is sick of this shit and is beating the fuck out of the gaza strip. Meanwhile, Hamas keeps firing rockets into Israel at random.

    Hamas also released a statement saying this whole fight was all about land and they want their land back. Religion is also a big factor though, apparently a lot of muslims hate jews, this might be applicable the other way around?

    Americas playing a huge part in this too. They been supplying Israel with weapons and stirring up shit in the UN. I have no idea what their intentions are though....maybe looking to start shit with Iran?
    ??!!! how are both sides @ fault?
    now don't get me wrong there are a lot of things the Palestinians are doing that i don't agree with, but they are NOT at fault...
    WW2 ended and since no one wanted the Jews we kinda dumped them on someone else's land and said its theirs again cuz they "had" that chunk of land thousands of years ago... the fault here is on the major world powers who @ the end of WW2 decided that this would be the best way to get the Jews off their own hands
    this is the biggest load of bullshit and if any "culture/civilization" got put into my country by some foreign power and told me my land is now theirs and they pretty much control me, id rebel with every breath within my soul to kick them the fuck out
  • edited January 2009
    The way i see it is both sides are at fault cuz this all could have been prevented easily.
    Hamas should be the ones to start negotiations or propose a ceasefire. They're in no place or situation to be firing puny ass rockets at one of the worlds stronger militarys.....outside help would be needed cuz Israel is gunna be stubborn with the land
  • edited January 2009
    lazyGUY;45111 said:
    The way i see it is both sides are at fault cuz this all could have been prevented easily.
    Hamas should be the ones to start negotiation...outside help would be needed cuz Israel is gunna be stubborn with the land
    I see a lot of contradiction in your statements. How come you say 'both sides are at fault' and yet you propose Hamas should be the one to start negotiating? That looks metaphorically inept.

    You said 'outside help would be needed cuz Israel is gunna be stubborn with the land'? Do you only see land or ethnic cleansing going on? More than 900 died in a matter of 3 weeks and only less than 10 Israelis died.

    On the other hand, the US keeps supplying weapons and ammunition to Israel and at the same time acting as peace broker, isn't that a double standard way of sealing the reality and human suffering?
  • edited January 2009
    whos gonna help them?
    the world media makes anyone from the middle east seem like a bad person and throws the word terrorist around, yet in reality the terrorists are the Israeli and US politicians
    the only way this conflict will be resolved is if Palestine gives up their land they've been living on because they simply dont have the funding or weapons to fight the Israeli who are fully backed and supported by the Americans
    in other words ur sayn they should just suck it up and try not to stand out like a sore thumb for solely the fear of getting crushed by a more powerful nation
    well... wouldn't that be nice? maybe they[Palestinians] should make like the Native Americans and keep moving west till their feathers float...

    in my opinion if u love your family, neighbor and country u will stand up for them regardless of how the odds look
  • edited January 2009
    Hope_2016;45117 said:
    I see a lot of contradiction in your statements. How come you say 'both sides are at fault' and yet you propose Hamas should be the one to start negotiating? That looks metaphorically inept.

    You said 'outside help would be needed cuz Israel is gunna be stubborn with the land'? Do you only see land or ethnic cleansing going on? More than 900 died in a matter of 3 weeks and only less than 10 Israelis died.
    What is Hamas achieving right now? nothing....people are dying and even if the blame is on both parties its in Hamas' best interest to have peace talks

    Im just saying it like it is, Israel looks intent on destroying Hamas and there not just going to stop and offer negotiations now. I dont really see any contradictions there.

    This whole conflict is mostly to do with land. You can call it an ethnic cleansing if you want but i dont think Israel is doing this based on ethnicity.
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    edited January 2009
    I would like to point out this isn't really Palestinians Vs. Israelis its more like Hamas Vs Israelis and neither side gives two shits about the Palestinians
  • edited January 2009
    hamas vs the zionists
    the average joe citizens in Israel dont really want all the killing too.
  • edited January 2009
    ^ u sure about that?
    i've met avg joe jews who hold the belief as their rabis that non jews are not "real" or "worthy" human beings... that just leaves me to believe that although they may not come out and directly support aggressions against people of a different faith they still support it on some level

    although you are right on the surface of the fighting its the two extremes of each side fighting each other
  • edited January 2009
    Hope_2016;45085 said:
    is it a matter of grammar or subject-verb agreement correction?

    "And learn the English language just to share your observation
    Probably get a Grammy without a grammar education
    So fuck you school and fuck you immigration"

    Say something or shut the fuck up.
    Ok, you are an idiot.
  • edited January 2009
    Meh. Let them kill each other.
  • edited January 2009
    mrbubbles;45181 said:
    Meh. Let them kill each other.
    You are not human then.
  • edited January 2009
    lately the pendulum has kinda swung toward support the Palestinian side of the conflict. And if I had to choose a side, I'd prob choose the Palestinians @ this moment, just cuz to me, it seems like the Israeli's are the aggressors and that they are getting the benefit of the doubt becuz of the holocaust and the jews, etc. etc. my 2 c
  • edited January 2009
    Hamas lobs dozens and dozens of rockets into Israel, Israel fires back on the launchers, who are hiding themselves in houses and schools, and Israel is the bad guy?

    Look, Israel should never have been created, and is in that sense totally illegitimate. But in their history, Israel has never been the aggressor. Even the taking of Gaza was a defensive move in response to all out war declared by every country that shares their border. In any Israel-Hamas conflict, there is absolutely no ambiguity whatsoever. Israel, while not perfect, is the better government, nation and culture.

    BTW, I just found out today, slight tangent, that Hamas has actually reinstituted crucifixion as a method of execution. And people wonder whether they would have the mentality necessary to use families as human shields for their soldiers? It's all part of their ongoing attempt to turn the Western media into a pawn in their insane Islamist schemes.
  • edited January 2009
    Well you're right, Israel was a country, I wouldn't say shouldn't have been created, but it was basically partitioned inside another already formed country. If I were the citizens of that country, I'd be pissed as hell.

    But any country that is backed by the U.S. has an unfair advantage, IMO. I think that the U.S. should stay away from these conflicts that do not concern them.
  • edited January 2009
    Why does it matter if they have an "unfair advantage"? It's Middle-Eastern politics, not a basketball game.
  • edited January 2009
    Okay, say your favourite team was the Lakers. And they had to play against the Eastern all-stars for the championships.
  • edited January 2009
    Lakers would beat them
    that was a stupid comparison
  • edited January 2009
    Hope_2016;45191 said:
    You are not human then.
    Fo shzz man. Humans have been beating each other to death with their fist before they could devise a weapon, this mindset hasn't changed and it never will. If anyone thinks one day we will drop our primal instinct and stop killing each other, pass me the doobie so I can smoke whatever you're smoking.

    Also, almost every invention that could be used to inflict harm and death to another human being has already been done extensively.

    Though I would be pleased if I am proven wrong when we stop killing each other one day, but that should only happen after we solve the overpopulation problem.
    Morro;45219 said:
    Hamas lobs dozens and dozens of rockets into Israel, Israel fires back on the launchers, who are hiding themselves in houses and schools, and Israel is the bad guy?

    Look, Israel should never have been created, and is in that sense totally illegitimate. But in their history, Israel has never been the aggressor. Even the taking of Gaza was a defensive move in response to all out war declared by every country that shares their border. In any Israel-Hamas conflict, there is absolutely no ambiguity whatsoever. Israel, while not perfect, is the better government, nation and culture.

    BTW, I just found out today, slight tangent, that Hamas has actually reinstituted crucifixion as a method of execution. And people wonder whether they would have the mentality necessary to use families as human shields for their soldiers? It's all part of their ongoing attempt to turn the Western media into a pawn in their insane Islamist schemes.
    Israel not the aggressor? Really? How is Israel not the aggressor?

    Israel were pretty much begging the Hamas to fire the rocket so they can have an excuse to go in. 8 civilian/military casualties in exchange for inflicting more than 1000, sounds a good trade to them. Think of the all the military experiences and the chance for the IDF to play with their American sponsored toys.

    As for Hamas, war knows no rule and the biggest losers are women and children. Fighting clean and fair doesn't give you brownie points.
  • edited January 2009
    just think, if westerners wouldn't have intervened causing WW2 none of these conflicts would be taking place
  • edited January 2009
    bufli;45235 said:
    just think, if westerners wouldn't have intervened causing WW2 none of these conflicts would be taking place
    I think Hitler caused ww2 dude, not the westerners lol and if the westerners didnt intervene, there would be a lot more nazis in the world right now
  • edited January 2009
    lazyGUY;45238 said:
    I think Hitler caused ww2 dude, not the westerners lol and if the westerners didnt intervene, there would be a lot more nazis in the world right now
    What is wrong with Nazis?
  • edited January 2009
    JayDub;45132 said:
    Ok, you are an idiot.
    I agree
  • edited January 2009
    mrbubbles;45231 said:
    Israel not the aggressor? Really? How is Israel not the aggressor?

    Israel were pretty much begging the Hamas to fire the rocket so they can have an excuse to go in. 8 civilian/military casualties in exchange for inflicting more than 1000, sounds a good trade to them. Think of the all the military experiences and the chance for the IDF to play with their American sponsored toys.

    As for Hamas, war knows no rule and the biggest losers are women and children. Fighting clean and fair doesn't give you brownie points.
    Care to provide an example of how they were begging to be fired upon?

    And it's not Israel's fault that the Palestinian rockets were not aimable. The fact is that they were firing many, many rockets, and blowing up a whole lot of shit. Israel should wait until their luck runs out and a lot of people die?

    Some argue that Israel's treatment of Gaza prompted the rocket attacks, but unfortunately the vast majority of the accusations about their policies there are complete horse-shit, and the ones that are true are at least somewhat defensible.
  • edited January 2009
    Morro;45253 said:
    Care to provide an example of how they were begging to be fired upon?

    And it's not Israel's fault that the Palestinian rockets were not aimable. The fact is that they were firing many, many rockets, and blowing up a whole lot of shit. Israel should wait until their luck runs out and a lot of people die?

    Some argue that Israel's treatment of Gaza prompted the rocket attacks, but unfortunately the vast majority of the accusations about their policies there are complete horse-shit, and the ones that are true are at least somewhat defensible.
    Blockades in cooperation with Egypt to prevent refugees from leaving Gaza and not allowing supplies to reach Gaza. Israel's politic regarding Hamas is simply squeezing them out, if they can't squeeze them out, make them do something stupid so the IDF can go in and clean it up.

    You corner your adversary and don't be surprised when they bite back.

    Israel's argument for keeping the refugee contained is a sound one: suicide bombers can easily mingle with the refugees if the border were open, better many dead Palestinians than one dead Israeli child.
  • edited January 2009
    lazyGUY;45238 said:
    I think Hitler caused ww2 dude, not the westerners lol and if the westerners didnt intervene, there would be a lot more nazis in the world right now
    wow racism on my part has failed.... what i was trying to say:

    there was no ww2 until the western world said fuck u hitler and decided to start ww2. until that point hitler had a free for all grab of any country
    and what i meant by we wouldn't have the problem is cuz there would be no jews let alone Israel if hitler had had his way and ww2 hadn't occurred...
    and that wouldnt be such a bad world to live in if u think about it, the axis powers have always made nicer and better cars then the allies ...
  • edited January 2009
    bufli;45260 said:
    wow racism on my part has failed.... what i was trying to say:

    there was no ww2 until the western world said fuck u hitler and decided to start ww2. until that point hitler had a free for all grab of any country
    and what i meant by we wouldn't have the problem is cuz there would be no jews let alone Israel if hitler had had his way and ww2 hadn't occurred...
    and that wouldnt be such a bad world to live in if u think about it, the axis powers have always made nicer and better cars then the allies ...
    Oh lol my bad

    there is one huge flaw in your statement though
    communism never made a good car....watch all of the new top gear season lol, im pretty sure the axis powers wouldnt be democratic countries right now if they were successful.

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