I don't accept either, I just see *some* logic for varsity meat heads, but I don't think it justifies it. I mean what logic in itself is there for people who are on scholarships to get first pick? It isn't necessary to their school careers. With the jocks they may need to schedule around their shit (I personally believe though if they want to be in sports they should work around it) In my opinion it should all be based on merit, grade points.
If someone on a scholarship happens to register before me because they have more grade points power to them, but the way it works right now is flawed.
yea, this post is exactly what I don't understand, you keep reiterating that grade points (which is a measure of academic achievement) should be the sole criteria, and then you go on to say that having other obligations (totally irrelevant to academic achievement) is more of a reason for priority enrolment compared to scholarships (which is at worst half as related to academic achievement as the grade point criteria you favour).
Not really, because I don't see the fact that someone is on a scholarship related to anything. It just coincidentally happens that often high grade points are involved with those in scholarships (by the very nature of scholarships)
I dont see scholarships as a measure of academic achievement, the title of a scholarship anyway. It's the title of the scholarship that gives people priority reg, not their grade points, grade points aid in registration dates but don't give priority.
Yes I do not think it is fair for a scholarship student to get priority registering. I fail to see how they should get it.
I don't agree that varsity [b]shouldn't[b] get priority registering and my reasons are two fold. The first is that we on the rowing team aren't considered full fledges varsity, so we don't get priority registering so trying to find 5 morning practises a week where everyone can attend is near impossible. And when people start not going to practise you have certain people who slack off which leads to you having to kick them off the team.
Secondly the current varsity are told when they can't have classes because that is when they are practising, so they have to pick classes around that. It would be impossible for them to do as you suggested which is the opposite.
Not really, because I don't see the fact that someone is on a scholarship related to anything. It just coincidentally happens that often high grade points are involved with those in scholarships (by the very nature of scholarships)
I dont see scholarships as a measure of academic achievement, the title of a scholarship anyway. It's the title of the scholarship that gives people priority reg, not their grade points, grade points aid in registration dates but don't give priority.
scholarships and high GPAs aren't coincidental, the former is a direct result of the latter. even granted that the title of a scholarship (whatever that is) doesn't indicate academic achievement, it does imply a high GPA which is one indicator of said achievement.
are you really suggesting that scholarships are even less relevant to academic achievement than scheduling conflicts? the only way you can maintain that it's less of a justification for priority registration than varsity is if you are indeed suggesting that, and if you are then you contradict your own preferred criteria.
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Hmm... I half agree with you there Random...
Yes I do not think it is fair for a scholarship student to get priority registering. I fail to see how they should get it.
I don't agree that varsity [b]shouldn't[b] get priority registering and my reasons are two fold. The first is that we on the rowing team aren't considered full fledges varsity, so we don't get priority registering so trying to find 5 morning practises a week where everyone can attend is near impossible. And when people start not going to practise you have certain people who slack off which leads to you having to kick them off the team.
Secondly the current varsity are told when they can't have classes because that is when they are practising, so they have to pick classes around that. It would be impossible for them to do as you suggested which is the opposite.
mm last time I checked SFU was an academic institution, not a sports institution.
And last time I checked, SFU was a member of the CIS along with 52 other Canadian "academic institutions" which because of intercollegiate sports traditions go back to the 1860s in North America. And because many of these athletes forgo part time employement to be able to participate.
So maybe instead of being so bitter, you should have worked out a bit more as a youngin' and then you too may have been able to earn such benefits.
And last time I checked, SFU was a member of the CIS along with 52 other Canadian "academic institutions" which because of intercollegiate sports traditions go back to the 1860s in North America. And because many of these athletes forgo part time employement to be able to participate.
So maybe instead of being so bitter, you should have worked out a bit more as a youngin' and then you too may have been able to earn such benefits.
ignoring everything that just says "because it's always been so" (which is most of the post), how does foregoing employment have any relevancy? a lot of people forego employment for other activities, do you give them priority too?
You shouldn't be letting your bias because you reap the benefits of the open scholarship cloud your view, although the same kind be said of me as the opposite, if that is the case which I am thinking.
Why do you keep bringing up my partial view on varisty priority when I don't believe in it either? Do you think its fair for someone to have a higher grade points than someone else, then one semester fall off the open scholarship, yet still have a higher GPA than someone else and have to register after the other person?
The title is conincidental, because its taking an arbitrary number and assigning that number as "high gpa". If it isnt conicidental then there should be no harm in removing the scholarship priority and letting peoples grade points fight for themselves. If people are so academically solid their GPA should reflect that.
Give me an argument where you're not using a hypothetical reason I have on varsity athletes, given I said I don't believe in either already.
You shouldn't be letting your bias because you reap the benefits of the open scholarship cloud your view, although the same kind be said of me as the opposite, if that is the case which I am thinking.
Why do you keep bringing up my partial view on varisty priority when I don't believe in it either? Do you think its fair for someone to have a higher grade points than someone else, then one semester fall off the open scholarship, yet still have a higher GPA than someone else and have to register after the other person?
The title is conincidental, because its taking an arbitrary number and assigning that number as "high gpa". If it isnt conicidental then there should be no harm in removing the scholarship priority and letting peoples grade points fight for themselves. If people are so academically solid their GPA should reflect that.
Give me an argument where you're not using a hypothetical reason I have on varsity athletes, given I said I don't believe in either already.
I never said that you support either, you do favour (or lack thereof) the two to different degrees, which does make your point inconsistent.
We can debate the merits of giving priority to scholarships, but that's pointless if your argument isn't even internally consistent with itself.
I never said that you support either, you do favour (or lack thereof) the two to different degrees, which does make your point inconsistent.
We can debate the merits of giving priority to scholarships, but that's pointless if your argument isn't even internally consistent with itself.
Uh no it doesn't, as I said I don't think either should have priority. All I said was that one, as a stretch, can be justified in the way I mentioned (as a segway for someone to give me a reason why scholarship students should).
Go back to my first post and read the context, all I said was varsity at least has some kind of argument (even though I don't believe in it). Don't try and tell me what I do and do not think, and assess the consistency of my arguments like you're logically superior.
You haven't given one argument as to why scholarships should have priority, when their GPA should be able to speak for itself.
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do you not see a contradiction here?
I dont see scholarships as a measure of academic achievement, the title of a scholarship anyway. It's the title of the scholarship that gives people priority reg, not their grade points, grade points aid in registration dates but don't give priority.
Yes I do not think it is fair for a scholarship student to get priority registering. I fail to see how they should get it.
I don't agree that varsity [b]shouldn't[b] get priority registering and my reasons are two fold. The first is that we on the rowing team aren't considered full fledges varsity, so we don't get priority registering so trying to find 5 morning practises a week where everyone can attend is near impossible. And when people start not going to practise you have certain people who slack off which leads to you having to kick them off the team.
Secondly the current varsity are told when they can't have classes because that is when they are practising, so they have to pick classes around that. It would be impossible for them to do as you suggested which is the opposite.
are you really suggesting that scholarships are even less relevant to academic achievement than scheduling conflicts? the only way you can maintain that it's less of a justification for priority registration than varsity is if you are indeed suggesting that, and if you are then you contradict your own preferred criteria. mm last time I checked SFU was an academic institution, not a sports institution.
So maybe instead of being so bitter, you should have worked out a bit more as a youngin' and then you too may have been able to earn such benefits.
Why do you keep bringing up my partial view on varisty priority when I don't believe in it either? Do you think its fair for someone to have a higher grade points than someone else, then one semester fall off the open scholarship, yet still have a higher GPA than someone else and have to register after the other person?
The title is conincidental, because its taking an arbitrary number and assigning that number as "high gpa". If it isnt conicidental then there should be no harm in removing the scholarship priority and letting peoples grade points fight for themselves. If people are so academically solid their GPA should reflect that.
Give me an argument where you're not using a hypothetical reason I have on varsity athletes, given I said I don't believe in either already.
We can debate the merits of giving priority to scholarships, but that's pointless if your argument isn't even internally consistent with itself.
Go back to my first post and read the context, all I said was varsity at least has some kind of argument (even though I don't believe in it). Don't try and tell me what I do and do not think, and assess the consistency of my arguments like you're logically superior.
You haven't given one argument as to why scholarships should have priority, when their GPA should be able to speak for itself.