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Hypocrisy

edited November 2008 in General
Am I the only one who doesn't think that it's the biggest deal in the world?

For instance, we see a ton of talk about people denouncing gays, who turn out to be gay. Now, I of course think anti-gay sentiment is pathetic, but just within its own internal logic, is it really all that bad that many of these guys turn out to be gay? I mean, a lot of them are saying that homosexuality is a cross to be borne, and that it might be difficult to act heterosexual, but still necessary. In that framework, is it that bad to be a gay guy who lapses in strength? For instance, Ted Haggard. Does this really invalidate their argument? Or even hurt it?

If someone is a big proponent of the death penalty, and keeps going on about how terrible murder is, and then goes out and murders somebody, does that mean they were wrong in their condemnation of murder? I don't think that the proponents of an idea have to adhere to it perfectly, for the idea to be defensible.

What do you guys think?

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  • edited October 2008
    doesn't the context something is said in have any influence?
  • IVTIVT
    edited October 2008
    Morro;38948 said:


    If someone is a big proponent of the death penalty, and keeps going on about how terrible murder is, and then goes out and murders somebody, does that mean they were wrong in their condemnation of murder? I don't think that the proponents of an idea have to adhere to it perfectly, for the idea to be defensible.

    What do you guys think?
    murder has criminal intent though...or something like that, so this argument is hard to make. Now if a person was against any type of killing, then yes they are a hypocrite

    I agree with you

    btw, where is randomuser?
  • edited October 2008
    ^you kicked her off rmb? BRING HER BACK I TELL YOU!! =P or insatiable is gonna have your head.. :tongue:

    i will return to share my thoughts on this.. great thread mod! :beer:
  • edited October 2008
    i don't know about you guys.. i think hypocrisy is a beautiful thing... many don't see it as an attribute... which i can appreciate (especially when it does not go your way) but beyond that it's just another way of proving/telling you that there's always gonna be exceptions or that nothing is absolute...

    i like the idea of having flexible morals.. values that are bendable.. to an extent it makes you a more practical or efficient (for the lack of a better word) person.. but that of course depends on how one uses this flexibility.. as with the case of capital punishment.. on one side some see it as murder.. but use it in wars (deemed justified by whomever initiates it) it is perceived to be fighting for the greater good or humanity etc. deep down we know it's nothing but murder.. yet because the causes are different these actions are justified for their purposes.. hence the key word here is justification.. when humans find a way to justify their immoral or illogical acts.. they will act upon it even they're fully aware it is inherently wrong.. that is the beauty of hypocrisy.. for it allows you to do many things that you wouldn't and can't do if you don't see yourself as a hypocrite.. which i firmly believe that no one can deny of being.. one way or another.. =P
  • edited October 2008
    Save your sympathy
    Who do you think you're fooling?
    Everything is dead!
    Now you welcome me,
    To a town called hypocrisy
  • IVTIVT
    edited October 2008
    Suspicion is your name
    Your honesty to blame
    Put dignity to shame
    Dishonor
  • edited October 2008
    You call it hypocrisy, I call it pragmatism.
  • IVTIVT
    edited October 2008
    Oh and regarding hypocrisy and religion: I am not a fan of when people do something they know was forbidden by their faith then try to somehow justify it or make it seem ok. We are human, there is no shame in admitting one's mistakes (which is one of the things the Bible teaches).
  • edited October 2008
    What. I thought all Christians blamed everything on God.

    After all, the purpose of religion is to have something outside of yourself to believe in, to blame, to make use of as it is convenient. Religion may have started out pure and earthy, but the transformations down history has made it the way it is now--the third party, the omnipresence.

    Anyhow. A universal truth? Hypocrites are only hypocrites when met with strong opposition.
  • IVTIVT
    edited October 2008
    Lixie;39388 said:
    What. I thought all Christians blamed everything on God.
    wrong.
  • edited November 2008
    What I find hypocritical are the people that go... "That guy raped someone, he should go to prison and get raped" and "That soldier threw a puppy off a cliff, he should get thrown off a cliff!" and "Fucking drunk driver killed a family, I hope his family gets run over by a fucking train then he'll know what it feels feels like" and the people that care more about an animal than a human being (not PETA people). It's like "That guy burned a cat alive, I hope he goes to prison and gets executed by being burned alive".

    And the ignorant people that go "Japan eats whales, they are sick and I hope they get nuked again" and "Those asian cultures that eat dogs (even though they have nothing else to eat) should rot in hell" while they're munching on a Big Mac, living their higher quality of life.
  • edited November 2008
    In a sense it's not hypocritical, depending on the interpretation of "an eye for an eye".

    So what exactly makes you state it is hypocritical for punishments to exactly match the crime?

    (PS. Since people will assume this means I personally endorse the action, I do not. But I am curious as to the rationale behind Myname's statements)
  • edited November 2008
    I think hypocrisy is the result of one believing something but doing something else because of the circumstances or his or her own ability.

    For example, in our society fairness, and equity are two very important values. Hence, we have social programs which aid the poor and unfortunate. Yet, at the same time we encourage capitalism which completely goes against fairness and equity, at least in the ethical and moral sense.

    Why? It's because we all want everyone to do their best and the society to be equal. Yet, few people will pass the opportunity to relax and get free food. That's why communism failed.

    It's a "big deal" but not a huge deviation from basic human nature.

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