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Religion and sex.

edited November 2008 in General
The New Yorker has a pretty good story on the enormous number of teen pregnancies among white evangelicals and the directions some evangelicals are trying to push to find a better way to deal with teen sexuality. "There hasn't been one evangelical family that hasn't gone through some sort of situation [like Bristol Palin]," says Marlys Popma, head of evangelical outreach for the McCain campaign. "In fact it was Popma's own `crisis pregnancy' that brought her into the movement in the first place."
Social liberals in the country’s “blue states” tend to support sex education and are not particularly troubled by the idea that many teen-agers have sex before marriage, but would regard a teen-age daughter’s pregnancy as devastating news. And the social conservatives in “red states” generally advocate abstinence-only education and denounce sex before marriage, but are relatively unruffled if a teen-ager becomes pregnant, as long as she doesn’t choose to have an abortion.
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[E]vangelical teen-agers are more sexually active than Mormons, mainline Protestants, and Jews. On average, white evangelical Protestants make their “sexual début”—to use the festive term of social-science researchers—shortly after turning sixteen. Among major religious groups, only black Protestants begin having sex earlier.

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The highest teen-pregnancy rates were in Nevada, Arizona, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Texas (all red); the lowest were in North Dakota, Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota, and Maine (blue except for North Dakota).
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As the Reverend Rick Marks, a Southern Baptist minister, recently pointed out in a Florida newspaper, “Evangelicals are fighting gay marriage, saying it will break down traditional marriage, when divorce has already broken it down.”

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The savvy young Christian writer Lauren Winner, in her book “Real Sex: The Naked Truth About Chastity,” writes, “Rather than spending our unmarried years stewarding and disciplining our desires, we have become ashamed of them. We persuade ourselves that the desires themselves are horrible. This can have real consequences if we do get married.”

Perhaps the most interesting new piece of information for me was the finding that "chastity until marriage" pledges have been shown to work, but only if they're limited to a small number of teens:
Bearman and Brückner have also identified a peculiar dilemma: in some schools, if too many teens pledge, the effort basically collapses. Pledgers apparently gather strength from the sense that they are an embattled minority;once their numbers exceed thirty per cent, and proclaimed chastity becomes the norm, that special identity is lost. With such a fragile formula, it’s hard to imagine how educators can ever get it right: once the self-proclaimed virgin clique hits the thirty-one-per-cent mark, suddenly it’s Sodom and Gomorrah.
There are also good descriptions of young evangelicals, such as Shelby Knox, who are trying to move away from this failing model of sexuality and develop more functional, healthy ways for young Christians to develop healthy attitudes toward their sexuality without becoming promiscuous.

At the same time, the article is critical of liberals, who may have a better record of avoiding teen pregnancy and whose marriages are much less likely to end in divorce, but who "are not very good at articulating their values on marriage and teen sexuality---indeed, they may feel that it's unseemly or judgmental to do so."

Your opinions?

Comments

  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    too much emphasis on "don't have sex" not enough on "why you shouldn't have sex" That's the problem imo.
    No i'm not a brainwashed virgin lol

    but seriously, this its one of the problems i have with the religious right wing.
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    castration

    problem solved
  • edited November 2008
    That's what you get for "abstinence only" education.
  • edited November 2008
    the article is critical of liberals, who may have a better record of avoiding teen pregnancy and whose marriages are much less likely to end in divorce, but who "are not very good at articulating their values on marriage and teen sexuality---indeed, they may feel that it's unseemly or judgmental to do so."
    Nice! I like this guy. Anti religion, and anti liberal-pussy at once? My kind of lady.
  • edited November 2008
    Triple;39652 said:
    castration

    problem solved
    Agreed. Or at least chemical castration until they're married.
  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    ^wtf is that?
  • edited November 2008
    Even though I am still a virgin, I full hearted believe that sex is a fun thing to do with your love one or friend with benefit. Sex education should not be abstinence-only. Ideally, sex-education should be sex positive and focus heavily on the joy of sex as well as STD and unwanted pregnancy prevention.
    IVT;39662 said:
    ^wtf is that?
    Chemical castration? You take drugs to stun/ permanently stop your sperm/ egg production.
  • edited November 2008
    I think for males at least, its more to stop the sex drive or w/e the chemical it is that makes you want to do it like rabbits
  • edited November 2008
    i don't know how much of a positive influence religion has on sex.. but i'm an advocate towards education.. and educating teenagers about the good (and bad) aspects of sex.. then let them make the decision on where they stand on teen pregnancies... especially after hearing an acquaintance of mine who was pregnant with a child without knowing.. =.=" and was too far off into her state to wait for the doctors here to do the abortion here that she had to do it in the states.. what shocked me the most is that her father is a doctor and it disturbs me she has literally 0 knowledge about stuff like this..

    anyway.. i'm sure these religious sectors are coming from a good cause in trying to reduce the number of teen pregnancies.. but i just don't think it's possible without educating or telling them why..=\
  • edited November 2008
    siuying;39669 said:
    was too far off into her state to wait for the doctors here to do the abortion here that she had to do it in the states..
    thats sick
  • edited November 2008
    ^hahaha.. tell me about it.. =P

    i honestly feel bad for her.. as a girl who sleeps around you think she'll be the expert on stuff like this..
  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    siuying;39688 said:
    ^hahaha.. tell me about it.. =P

    i honestly feel bad for her.. as a girl who sleeps around you think she'll be the expert on stuff like this..
    imo abortions should be outlawed for this reason. People need to harden the fuck up and take responsibility for their actions.
  • edited November 2008
    IVT;39690 said:
    imo abortions should be outlawed for this reason. People need to harden the fuck up and take responsibility for their actions.
    What about rape? Why should the victim be put through additional pain and suffering when she had already suffered enough when she was raped?
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    IVT;39690 said:
    imo abortions should be outlawed for this reason. People need to harden the fuck up and take responsibility for their actions.
    do you really want a child to be born into an environment of someone so irresponsible...think of neglect or abuse? there is always a flipside to everything...
  • edited November 2008
    well IVT.. people are irresponsible for a lot of things.. this is just a tip of the iceberg..=)
  • edited November 2008
    I've never thought of abortion as protecting pregnant women, so much as society. Boys born to poor, unmarried, uneducated teenage mothers will grow up and shank your ass, and the girls will grow up and become strippers.

    Wait, actually, that half works out. Hmmm...
  • edited November 2008
    The schools now: It is all about self-esteem in the schools now.
    Build the kids’ self-esteem; make them feel good about themselves.
    If everybody grows up with high self-esteem, who is going to dance in our strip clubs?
    What’s going to happen to our porno industry?
    These women don’t just grown on trees.
    It takes lots of drunk dads missing dance recitals before you decide to blow a goat on the internet for fifty bucks.
    And if that disappears, where does that leave me on a Friday night with my new high speed connection?
  • IVTIVT
    edited November 2008
    JayDub;39706 said:
    The schools now: It is all about self-esteem in the schools now.
    This is why teachers in Ontario get bitched out for failing students. Students need to harden the fuck up when they are told that they are failing instead of running to mommy.
  • edited November 2008
    I think it's really up to the person. It's really their own responsibility (with the exceptions of rape, etc.) to get educated and to me, it's really just common sense knowledge. But then again, people are honestly so blind and naive nowadays it really surprises/disgust me. They are just so ignorant and have a "it'll never happen to me" mentality that they just skip the precautions and boom, they're pregnant. I think it is an important factor to have sex ed in schools atleast once. Or have students take Health Science or Biology or something. I went to a Catholic school and we never had sex ed cus obviously, you are supposed to practice abstinence. But there are honestly no excuses. Sex ed is everywhere -- on the Skytrain, busses, commercials on TV, it's really hard to ignore unless you're really dumb.

    Yes, I do think that religion does have an influence but up to a certain age or until you realize you have raging hormones. I think there's a point in most peoples' lives when they discover they don't need religion or other things start to take priority. I think religion is always a thought in the back of a person's mind (if brought up religiously) and in time, will come back to re-discover religion and such.

    This should be in the Debates forum!
  • edited November 2008
    Come to think of it, if some lowly man wants to spread his seed around, all he has to do is knock up Catholic girls with low self-esteem.
  • edited November 2008
    mrbubbles;39721 said:
    Come to think of it, if some lowly man wants to spread his seed around, all he has to do is knock up Catholic girls with low self-esteem.
    like all of them?

    :angel:

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