lol well u forgot to mention that mind games are also played by ppl who dont know the rules and cant handle the cosequences.....which is most ppl that tend to play stupid mind games
lol what so "fuck off" means you care enough about the guy as oppose to not responding means not caring at all, therefore fuck off is better than no answer?
ok I think that pretty much sums up which gender plays more games
hate can be a stronger emotion than love
anyway im talking about what ive seen with my experiences being friends with, and observing guys who party up and play the field, ive seen guys sit around with their friends and text a girl they dont like to see her response and laugh about it with his friends
going back to the ops original edited reply apparently guys dont think they play any games to girls, and a few crazy girls are representative of all girls
noobie, what are you basing your sample size on ^?
i personally think girls are more straight forward and want to get to the point in relationships, a lot of guys are afraid of what the girls want and never communicate this resulting in what we call games:
girls are afraid to say what they really want guys are afraid to hear what the girls really want
corresponding 'games' ensue
i'm not sure how youre all defining games, but theres a difference between playing with someone you dont like (this is the true definition of games, in my opinion), and legitimately questioning someones motives
lol well u forgot to mention that mind games are also played by ppl who dont know the rules and cant handle the cosequences.....which is most ppl that tend to play stupid mind games
if they're stupid to begin with.. then it's no mind games at all.. you should be able to figure them out right on the spot.. :tongue:
mind games are played by those who know the rules and can handle the consequences of the game.. it does not discriminate its disciples..
too bad the majority of guys dont know the rules
how disillusioned are you to think guys play more games than girls, most guys don't even have the privilage to play games, they consider themselves lucky if they have the attention of a female, more girls have the option to play games and therefore will, how come more of them have the option compared to guys? obvious. because guys are more straightforward, she has a whole catelogue of mates to choose from
go to a fucking club if you don't believe me, see how many times an average looking guy will get hit on - next to 0, and then look at the girls, guys are crawling all over them, even the nasty ones
now tell me that the girls in the club will be straightforward with the guys she likes? sorry but its always been the other way around, since the beginning of man and woman, the man goes out to get the woman, and in barbaric times, straight up fighting for the prize, now you tell me thats not direct enough
its the womans instinct to play games, be seductive, and lure in the guy
I can go on and on with legit examples that apply to a broader sense of man vs woman in the sense of who plays more games
all you've done so far are make baseless claims and try to back them up with specific examples of how some playboys you know play the worst of mind games and try to link that with a generalization that most guys are like that too
go to a fucking club if you don't believe me, see how many times an average looking guy will get hit on - next to 0, and then look at the girls, guys are crawling all over them, even the nasty ones
chronic you fail to mention how hot guys get treated in clubs, and you only talk about hot chicks
just because youre a self proclaimed average looking guy dont generalize to all guys who may not be average looking, cause not all guys are the same
how disillusioned are you to think guys play more games than girls, most guys don't even have the privilage to play games, they consider themselves lucky if they have the attention of a female, more girls have the option to play games and therefore will, how come more of them have the option compared to guys? obvious. because guys are more straightforward, she has a whole catelogue of mates to choose from
go to a fucking club if you don't believe me, see how many times an average looking guy will get hit on - next to 0, and then look at the girls, guys are crawling all over them, even the nasty ones
now tell me that the girls in the club will be straightforward with the guys she likes? sorry but its always been the other way around, since the beginning of man and woman, the man goes out to get the woman, and in barbaric times, straight up fighting for the prize, now you tell me thats not direct enough
its the womans instinct to play games, be seductive, and lure in the guy
I can go on and on with legit examples that apply to a broader sense of man vs woman in the sense of who plays more games
all you've done so far are make baseless claims and try to back them up with specific examples of how some playboys you know play the worst of mind games and try to link that with a generalization that most guys are like that too
nice try, majority rules
how disillusioned are you to think that i think guys play more mind games than girls? i haven't even mentioned a word about gender in that statement i made.. what makes to you think that i was pointing fingers at guys?
and i've been to the fucking club enough times to notice the hit on rates between guys and girls.. so long as either gender is attractive the hit on rate is as equally as high.. even the "nasty ones".. regardless of gender.. will be crawling.. i'm sorry but i fail to see your point?
no it's the man's perception of a woman that makes them look as if they play more games.. are more seductive and more likely to lure guys in.. both genders are equally capable of seduction and luring.. i can go on and on with legit examples of how both men and women play equally as much mind games as their counterpart.. but i will generally say that the society focuses/associates females playing mind games as more abhorrent that males.. i'm not going to say why as that's a completely new topic.. but this is what i see so far..
all you've done is focus on a group of women who most people would deem as seductresses and temptresses then generalize that to the female population.. aren't you also making baseless claims then backing them up with specific examples while i haven't even listed one example nor made a baseless claim in that short statement of mine? mind pointing it out to me specifically where that example and baseless claim is? my point is that males and females can both seduce and tempt just as much.. both sexes play just as much mind games.. have i not made myself clear enough?
if you have trouble understanding my statement.. i'm more than happy to explain to you what it means.. it is by far from what you have said in the above.. that is not what i mean and certainly not what i imply..
but nice try in decoding.. please reread my statement and reconstruct your argument.. =)
Oh, and also.. this thing where you guys go, "BOYS ARE LIARS" and then retaliating with "GIRLS ARE DOUBLE CROSSING BITCHES".
Did you guys seriously graduate high school?
UNDERSTAND THIS: Whether male a female, liars still exist. Because I am female, it doesn't mean I'm more prone to lie than a male, VICE VERSA. A liar is more likely to lie than a non-liar...
EASY PEASY.
I just found it funny how this was posted pages ago, and yet you guys insist on arguing about the same TIRED TOPIC, in LONG PARAGRAPHS, no less!
Lying, game playing, manipulating, cheating, these are all GENDER BLIND traits.
People who tend to say, "guys are more likely to do this" or "girls are more likely to do that" are people who obviously have a grade ten mentality still--that or they watch too much Sex in the City... neither of which is a good thing.
meh, no1s opinion is going to change, I still feel strongly that girls in general play more mind games than guys, and its widely accepted and believed to be true, so theres no point in arguing
I think we can agree on the fact that we will still disagree, no matter what either party says
do you have some sort of difficulty in understanding that randomuser and i are TWO DIFFERENT individuals? but hmm.. so no one's opinion is going to change.. coming from someone who quotes one but directs their views on another.. hmm.. what am i to make of your opinions?
meh, no1s opinion is going to change, I still feel strongly that girls in general play more mind games than guys, and its widely accepted and believed to be true, so theres no point in arguing
I think we can agree on the fact that we will still disagree, no matter what either party says
It's also "widely accepted" and "believed to be true" that boys are dicks. Why do you think there's a term called "dicks" for people, anyway?
And you know what else? Your "opinion" cannot battle with FACT, and the fact of life is, MANIPULATION, DISHONESTY, AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT MAKES US JERKS, ARE NOT GENDER SPECIFIC!!
If these traits WERE GENDER SPECIFIC, then there wouldn't be the need for GENDER SPECIFIC WORDS DESCRIBING JERKS, like DICK, or BITCH.
Do you finally get it?!
Also, your "opinion" of girls being more likely to lie and be manipulative than boys CANNOT be accepted as GROUNDS FOR ARGUMENT, because.... SURPRISE SURPRISE, YOU ARE NOT A BISEXUAL!!! As a boy, of course you've only been lied to or played by girls. As a boy with buddies who are BOYS, of course it is WIDELY ACCEPTED in YOUR circle that girls can be bitches. It's an opinion formed from the scope of your acquaintances. It'd be a different story if you've been "picked up" by a GUY and had your heart BROKEN by his LIES, because, hey hey, again, YOU'RE NOT A BISEXUAL!!
Same goes for women who think men are the only ones to blame... that's why I said they most likely take Sex in the City way too seriously... they form judgments and opinions based on a NARROW SCOPE OF OPINION that they take to be FACT.
God. I hate ignorant people with narrow opinions who refuse to understand a wider perspective. They usually say, "AGREE TO DISAGREE", meaning they are idiots who cannot accept that they are wrong.
One doesn't need to be bisexual to notice instinctual differences between man and woman
and why are you linking playing mind games with bitches and dicks? I agree that both guys and girls can be equally as manipulative, but guys are way more direct, you can tell right away what they want
where as with girls, yes often means no, and no often means maybe, its shits and giggles for them, they're fake, and shake hands with knives behind their backs, thats why so many girls hate eachother and theres constant cat fights over stupid shit, where as guys its just a punch in the face and its over with, next thing you know they could be friends
and when I say them, yes I am generalizing, because I do believe this applies to the majority, thus I am using examples that apply to the masses as well so randomuser, you can stop naming specific examples of ones that don't apply
OKAY. I didn't want to get into this argument, but yeah... I am really surprised to see some people disputing things like "girls get hit on more at the club". I am going to repeat this again: How many guys do you see being hit on by girls? I mean, sure it happens, but I mean ask anybody, and just observe in a club, if you still do not believe: guys go for the chicks, no matter how good looking or bad looking the girl is. Oh yeah, and my response to callonmee is to ignore the facebook message. & itmakes me angry the way some users on this thread argue their point!!! GRRRR.
where as with girls, yes often means no, and no often means maybe, its shits and giggles for them, they're fake, and shake hands with knives behind their backs, thats why so many girls hate eachother and theres constant cat fights over stupid shit, where as guys its just a punch in the face and its over with, next thing you know they could be friends
and when I say them, yes I am generalizing, because I do believe this applies to the majority, thus I am using examples that apply to the masses as well so randomuser, you can stop naming specific examples of ones that don't apply
Like I said, you have a narrow point of view, if that is how you view as "differences" between men and women. Your opinions aren't "wrong" according to you because they're based on your personal experiences--and I can empathize with that. I'm not trying to change your point of view, I'm just pushing in what I've learned.
But also keep in mind, the way everyone behaves is called a reaction. Reactions are based off of another person's original action (or reaction). If you keep to your opinions of women being fakes and liars, then most of the females you would come to know will be fakes and liars--they are only reacting to your original opinion of them (which is bound to come through by the way you interact with them).
So really, keeping an open mind with less prejudice (even if these prejudices are age-old and societally approved) will make you less of a ridiculous cynic (and cynics are only funny if they are cynics by originality rather than cynics preaching old prejudices).
thats obvious, that my opinion is based around my experiences, and my experiences has led me to believe women are more prone to mind games then men if you disagree then oh well, just because a girl plays mind games doesn't mean shes a bitch, liar, or any of the above listed, it could just mean she likes you and its her way of trying to get you to like her back
I've already acknowledged there are exceptions in both male and females, but far far less exceptions females
pray do tell.. what instinctual behavior are you talking about.. i'd really like to know.. =) so suddenly.. males are all the exceptional.. and females are just lumped into one big category? that is certainly some acknowledgment you got there..
wow all the girls are totally bitching out chronic..... i think some of what hes saying is rite...it is a STEROTYPE that most ppl believe..i mean look at some of the commercials on tv, theres the one where the guys goin to play golf, and his wifes like shes not angry when she really is but claims to be "just fine"....hmm i wonder what they call that ...mind games ur thinking???? now try to imagine that except the role of the husband/wife reversed...does it seem normal???? NO
and Woooow at Randomusers comment...u dont come off as shallow at all, unless ur trying to pull a funny, which isnt actually funny at all...
thats obvious, that my opinion is based around my experiences, and my experiences has led me to believe women are more prone to mind games then men if you disagree then oh well, just because a girl plays mind games doesn't mean shes a bitch, liar, or any of the above listed, it could just mean she likes you and its her way of trying to get you to like her back
I may be ignorant, but far from cynical
That's actually pretty funny. I do agree with you there. I've known a lot of people who play mind games in order to get someone interested in them--and that's crazy to me. But I guess whatever works, works.
And since I'm a super optimist, "cynical" and "ignorant" are pretty much the same thing to me, as a biased opinion. :P You wouldn't believe how much I get bashed for being naive or unrealistic though.
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anyway im talking about what ive seen with my experiences being friends with, and observing guys who party up and play the field, ive seen guys sit around with their friends and text a girl they dont like to see her response and laugh about it with his friends
most guys arent assholes like those in your example
noobie, what are you basing your sample size on ^?
i personally think girls are more straight forward and want to get to the point in relationships, a lot of guys are afraid of what the girls want and never communicate this resulting in what we call games:
girls are afraid to say what they really want
guys are afraid to hear what the girls really want
corresponding 'games' ensue
i'm not sure how youre all defining games, but theres a difference between playing with someone you dont like (this is the true definition of games, in my opinion), and legitimately questioning someones motives
too bad the majority of guys dont know the rules
how disillusioned are you to think guys play more games than girls, most guys don't even have the privilage to play games, they consider themselves lucky if they have the attention of a female, more girls have the option to play games and therefore will, how come more of them have the option compared to guys? obvious. because guys are more straightforward, she has a whole catelogue of mates to choose from
go to a fucking club if you don't believe me, see how many times an average looking guy will get hit on - next to 0, and then look at the girls, guys are crawling all over them, even the nasty ones
now tell me that the girls in the club will be straightforward with the guys she likes? sorry but its always been the other way around, since the beginning of man and woman, the man goes out to get the woman, and in barbaric times, straight up fighting for the prize, now you tell me thats not direct enough
its the womans instinct to play games, be seductive, and lure in the guy
I can go on and on with legit examples that apply to a broader sense of man vs woman in the sense of who plays more games
all you've done so far are make baseless claims and try to back them up with specific examples of how some playboys you know play the worst of mind games and try to link that with a generalization that most guys are like that too
nice try, majority rules
Some people just like to get attention so they give the impression of "playing games."
just because youre a self proclaimed average looking guy dont generalize to all guys who may not be average looking, cause not all guys are the same
That's right, she has purple hair, bitches.
and i've been to the fucking club enough times to notice the hit on rates between guys and girls.. so long as either gender is attractive the hit on rate is as equally as high.. even the "nasty ones".. regardless of gender.. will be crawling.. i'm sorry but i fail to see your point?
no it's the man's perception of a woman that makes them look as if they play more games.. are more seductive and more likely to lure guys in.. both genders are equally capable of seduction and luring.. i can go on and on with legit examples of how both men and women play equally as much mind games as their counterpart.. but i will generally say that the society focuses/associates females playing mind games as more abhorrent that males.. i'm not going to say why as that's a completely new topic.. but this is what i see so far..
all you've done is focus on a group of women who most people would deem as seductresses and temptresses then generalize that to the female population.. aren't you also making baseless claims then backing them up with specific examples while i haven't even listed one example nor made a baseless claim in that short statement of mine? mind pointing it out to me specifically where that example and baseless claim is? my point is that males and females can both seduce and tempt just as much.. both sexes play just as much mind games.. have i not made myself clear enough?
if you have trouble understanding my statement.. i'm more than happy to explain to you what it means.. it is by far from what you have said in the above.. that is not what i mean and certainly not what i imply..
but nice try in decoding..
please reread my statement and reconstruct your argument.. =)
that way it rhymes
I just found it funny how this was posted pages ago, and yet you guys insist on arguing about the same TIRED TOPIC, in LONG PARAGRAPHS, no less!
Lying, game playing, manipulating, cheating, these are all GENDER BLIND traits.
People who tend to say, "guys are more likely to do this" or "girls are more likely to do that" are people who obviously have a grade ten mentality still--that or they watch too much Sex in the City... neither of which is a good thing.
meh, no1s opinion is going to change, I still feel strongly that girls in general play more mind games than guys, and its widely accepted and believed to be true, so theres no point in arguing
I think we can agree on the fact that we will still disagree, no matter what either party says
do you have some sort of difficulty in understanding that randomuser and i are TWO DIFFERENT individuals? but hmm.. so no one's opinion is going to change.. coming from someone who quotes one but directs their views on another.. hmm.. what am i to make of your opinions?
And you know what else? Your "opinion" cannot battle with FACT, and the fact of life is, MANIPULATION, DISHONESTY, AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT MAKES US JERKS, ARE NOT GENDER SPECIFIC!!
If these traits WERE GENDER SPECIFIC, then there wouldn't be the need for GENDER SPECIFIC WORDS DESCRIBING JERKS, like DICK, or BITCH.
Do you finally get it?!
Also, your "opinion" of girls being more likely to lie and be manipulative than boys CANNOT be accepted as GROUNDS FOR ARGUMENT, because.... SURPRISE SURPRISE, YOU ARE NOT A BISEXUAL!!! As a boy, of course you've only been lied to or played by girls. As a boy with buddies who are BOYS, of course it is WIDELY ACCEPTED in YOUR circle that girls can be bitches. It's an opinion formed from the scope of your acquaintances. It'd be a different story if you've been "picked up" by a GUY and had your heart BROKEN by his LIES, because, hey hey, again, YOU'RE NOT A BISEXUAL!!
Same goes for women who think men are the only ones to blame... that's why I said they most likely take Sex in the City way too seriously... they form judgments and opinions based on a NARROW SCOPE OF OPINION that they take to be FACT.
God. I hate ignorant people with narrow opinions who refuse to understand a wider perspective. They usually say, "AGREE TO DISAGREE", meaning they are idiots who cannot accept that they are wrong.
it was an accident I thought I quoted randomuser
differing personalities doesn't change instinctual behavior
I've already acknowledged there are exceptions in both male and females, but far far less exceptions females
and why are you linking playing mind games with bitches and dicks?
I agree that both guys and girls can be equally as manipulative, but guys are way more direct, you can tell right away what they want
where as with girls, yes often means no, and no often means maybe, its shits and giggles for them, they're fake, and shake hands with knives behind their backs, thats why so many girls hate eachother and theres constant cat fights over stupid shit, where as guys its just a punch in the face and its over with, next thing you know they could be friends
and when I say them, yes I am generalizing, because I do believe this applies to the majority, thus I am using examples that apply to the masses as well so randomuser, you can stop naming specific examples of ones that don't apply
But also keep in mind, the way everyone behaves is called a reaction. Reactions are based off of another person's original action (or reaction). If you keep to your opinions of women being fakes and liars, then most of the females you would come to know will be fakes and liars--they are only reacting to your original opinion of them (which is bound to come through by the way you interact with them).
So really, keeping an open mind with less prejudice (even if these prejudices are age-old and societally approved) will make you less of a ridiculous cynic (and cynics are only funny if they are cynics by originality rather than cynics preaching old prejudices).
if you disagree then oh well, just because a girl plays mind games doesn't mean shes a bitch, liar, or any of the above listed, it could just mean she likes you and its her way of trying to get you to like her back
I may be ignorant, but far from cynical
maybe if you were better looking, or less ignorant, girls wouldnt play games with you ;)
i think some of what hes saying is rite...it is a STEROTYPE that most ppl believe..i mean look at some of the commercials on tv, theres the one where the guys goin to play golf, and his wifes like shes not angry when she really is but claims to be "just fine"....hmm i wonder what they call that ...mind games ur thinking????
now try to imagine that except the role of the husband/wife reversed...does it seem normal???? NO
and Woooow at Randomusers comment...u dont come off as shallow at all, unless ur trying to pull a funny, which isnt actually funny at all...
That's actually pretty funny. I do agree with you there. I've known a lot of people who play mind games in order to get someone interested in them--and that's crazy to me. But I guess whatever works, works.
And since I'm a super optimist, "cynical" and "ignorant" are pretty much the same thing to me, as a biased opinion. :P You wouldn't believe how much I get bashed for being naive or unrealistic though.