There's a CS common room, an engineering common room, a math common room, a phil common room, a kines common room, an MBB common room, a chem common room, a crim common room.
Of course these are only the common rooms that I have found.
There's a CS common room, an engineering common room, a math common room, a phil common room, a kines common room, an MBB common room, a chem common room, a crim common room.
Of course these are only the common rooms that I have found.
Yeah, I think there is a CMNS common room in the Communications wing near the tutorial rooms... except I don't think anyone hangs out there except for the CMNSU.
I'm sorry for a gloomy first post, but it's true. At least watch out for other people trying to bring your grade down. (presentation crashers etc.,)
It'll be the happiest day of my life if someone even bother to put up their hands during the Q&A segment of my presentations. I remember when I was doing a presentation on the Chernobyl Disaster and I mentioned the samosely, who are people who continues to reside in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, and someone in the back of the lecture hall asked me, "what do they eat?"
I immediately gave him the WTF look before answering.
If you're on the bell curve, make sure that other people in the class don't get A's. ;)
I'm sorry for a gloomy first post, but it's true. At least watch out for other people trying to bring your grade down. (presentation crashers etc.,)
I dunno about higher level classes but every class on the bell curve ive had so far, ive only met 1 person who was all paranoid about competition and all that. This may just be first year cuz those classes are already designed to filter out the dumb ppl, so theres already gunna be a bunch of ppl at the bottom of the curve. and i dunno if hes serious but if u do wut he says ur definitely not gunna have a lot of friends. You can meet a lot of new ppl by getting/giving help.
You can meet a lot of new ppl by getting/giving help.
Tell that to all the pre-med students competing for a single digit number of A+'s to be distributed at the end of the term.
As I've said in my post, I'm not instructing you to purposely turn into an asshole in class. Just be aware of the circumstances you're in.
Student0667, kudos for the presentation topic and answering that haha. What did you answer?
randomuser;35575 said:
isn't the curve in business classes something to be afraid of?
Same with the curve in any other bell curved class. It's just that business students are ALL competitive. It can make you or screw you, depending on which end of the curve you're looking at. ;)
that is specifically when i mentioned business from what i heard
ive been in several curved classes in other faculties where it generally didnt make a difference
except in one math class where almost all of us failed so i ended up passing, but i heard someone i know talk about 73% being a frightening mark to have in an upper div bus class
i know talk about 73% being a frightening mark to have in an upper div bus class
Most people I know in my 200 level courses went into the final with 80-90% averages. I imagine it gets even harder in 300/400+.
Vertical (Y axis) -> Number of people Horizontal (X axis) -> Score categories ranging from F to A+ and percent of people in the class that they cover (although the dividers always change with diff profs)
Grades are distributed as follows:
34%+34% = 64% get C/C+'s Right 14% get B-/B/B+'s Left 14% get C-/D's Left-most 2% get F's Right-most 2% get A's
So check it, place 80% (presume that's the class average in the [mean score] box in the middle). That means that the part to the left covers 0%-79% scores and the part on the right cover 81%-100% scores.
If you're getting 73% you're in borderline C category. At <=20% you're looking at an F. At <=40% you're looking at a D.
At the other extreme, you have the people with 81%-100% scores being dispersed through 50% of the remaining bell curve.
87%-94% is “B” territory. 94%-100% is “A” territory.
Deriving from this: "score percent value change" per "distance on the bell curve x axis" is much lower on the left side of the curve compared to the right side of the curve. This means that if you go up or down ~1% and you’re below class average, it won’t make such a monumental difference as if you’re above the class average and are competing with a select number of students for the place along the top 50% of the curve. (Although read the note below)
During all of this, the curve changes constantly with each percent that is given out to students because the mean keeps shifting. If someone gets a bonus mark, the curve mean has shifted and some people that are “border line” between categories have shifted down into a lower category. Theoretically, if you’re sitting at 94%, and help enough students in the top ~16% study for the final, (assuming they do well) your 94% will no longer be borderline “A” category and would shift down.
Note: The F/D category are rigged by professors if the class average is >=50%. If you get 40% you’re usually toast.
Now, this is a super complicated version of what goes on in class. You should NOT freak out or worry about all this information but should have a general understanding of it when you’re taking a bell curved class. It’s a big mistake to be counting your marks and standing at every single moment (although for some people it’s an excellent motivator), because then you won’t be focusing on what’s really important – your studies.
Tell that to all the pre-med students competing for a single digit number of A+'s to be distributed at the end of the term.
As I've said in my post, I'm not instructing you to purposely turn into an asshole in class. Just be aware of the circumstances you're in.
Im just saying that it doesnt really apply to most first year classes, from my experience.and do profs use the bell curve on small classes, like around 20 ppl?
blackhat, I love your presentation. That was the clearest explanation of the art of curving grades I have ever seen yet. :)
The grading situation in the sciences is unusual. Whereas grading in business, arts etc seem to encourage the kind of cutthroat competition that has, in the past, apparently motivated widespread cheating, it's not so bad in the sciences simply because the nature of the subject pulls grades down.
So, if you're smart and you know your stuff you will shine, even if you just happen to get 60% when everybody else got 40%. :) In that respect I sometimes wonder if curving in the sciences encourages laziness rather than competition, because if you know the class average tends to be x% all you need to do is hit the average and you'll walk out with a C or C+, which is sometimes all that's needed for a credit even within faculty. (out of faculty, D grades can sometimes be counted towards the major. I took a D in CRIM 131 - don't ask :P - and it was accepted towards my major. I boggled.)
@lazyGUY: Curving isn't practical for small classes. I think in one of my nuclear science classes, three of us four got an A. :P (yes, there literally was just four people in the class.)
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Of course these are only the common rooms that I have found.
I'm sorry for a gloomy first post, but it's true. At least watch out for other people trying to bring your grade down. (presentation crashers etc.,)
I immediately gave him the WTF look before answering.
and i dunno if hes serious but if u do wut he says ur definitely not gunna have a lot of friends. You can meet a lot of new ppl by getting/giving help.
As I've said in my post, I'm not instructing you to purposely turn into an asshole in class. Just be aware of the circumstances you're in.
Student0667, kudos for the presentation topic and answering that haha. What did you answer? Same with the curve in any other bell curved class. It's just that business students are ALL competitive. It can make you or screw you, depending on which end of the curve you're looking at. ;)
ive been in several curved classes in other faculties where it generally didnt make a difference
except in one math class where almost all of us failed so i ended up passing, but i heard someone i know talk about 73% being a frightening mark to have in an upper div bus class
Vertical (Y axis) -> Number of people
Horizontal (X axis) -> Score categories ranging from F to A+ and percent of people in the class that they cover (although the dividers always change with diff profs)
Grades are distributed as follows:
34%+34% = 64% get C/C+'s
Right 14% get B-/B/B+'s
Left 14% get C-/D's
Left-most 2% get F's
Right-most 2% get A's
So check it, place 80% (presume that's the class average in the [mean score] box in the middle). That means that the part to the left covers 0%-79% scores and the part on the right cover 81%-100% scores.
If you're getting 73% you're in borderline C category. At <=20% you're looking at an F. At <=40% you're looking at a D.
At the other extreme, you have the people with 81%-100% scores being dispersed through 50% of the remaining bell curve.
87%-94% is “B” territory. 94%-100% is “A” territory.
Deriving from this: "score percent value change" per "distance on the bell curve x axis" is much lower on the left side of the curve compared to the right side of the curve. This means that if you go up or down ~1% and you’re below class average, it won’t make such a monumental difference as if you’re above the class average and are competing with a select number of students for the place along the top 50% of the curve. (Although read the note below)
During all of this, the curve changes constantly with each percent that is given out to students because the mean keeps shifting. If someone gets a bonus mark, the curve mean has shifted and some people that are “border line” between categories have shifted down into a lower category. Theoretically, if you’re sitting at 94%, and help enough students in the top ~16% study for the final, (assuming they do well) your 94% will no longer be borderline “A” category and would shift down.
Note: The F/D category are rigged by professors if the class average is >=50%. If you get 40% you’re usually toast.
Now, this is a super complicated version of what goes on in class. You should NOT freak out or worry about all this information but should have a general understanding of it when you’re taking a bell curved class. It’s a big mistake to be counting your marks and standing at every single moment (although for some people it’s an excellent motivator), because then you won’t be focusing on what’s really important – your studies.
The grading situation in the sciences is unusual. Whereas grading in business, arts etc seem to encourage the kind of cutthroat competition that has, in the past, apparently motivated widespread cheating, it's not so bad in the sciences simply because the nature of the subject pulls grades down.
So, if you're smart and you know your stuff you will shine, even if you just happen to get 60% when everybody else got 40%. :) In that respect I sometimes wonder if curving in the sciences encourages laziness rather than competition, because if you know the class average tends to be x% all you need to do is hit the average and you'll walk out with a C or C+, which is sometimes all that's needed for a credit even within faculty. (out of faculty, D grades can sometimes be counted towards the major. I took a D in CRIM 131 - don't ask :P - and it was accepted towards my major. I boggled.)
@lazyGUY: Curving isn't practical for small classes. I think in one of my nuclear science classes, three of us four got an A. :P (yes, there literally was just four people in the class.)
SOOO SOO HARD sometimes, my eyes just get realllly heavy like they weigh 1000 pounds
ok so that might be most of the class......but still...