You, sir, are smoking the good stuff. It doesn't matter how big or bold your font, you can't change history, reality, or the religion of hundreds of millions of people. Catholics are Christians. In fact, they are the original Christian church. The various Protestant sects are offshoots of the original Christian church, the Catholic Church. They worship the Old and New Testament Bible, Jesus Christ, and the Jewish God of Yaweh. They are Christians.
The Church that was founded by the followers of Christ was simply the Christian Church. When, centuries later, there was dissention and a split, it went in two directions: The traditionalists, (the catholics) and the dissenters (the protestants,) who wanted to be able to divorce, among other things. The protestant religion went on to spawn the Baptists, etc. etc. etc. But they are all, ultimately, Christian sects.
if you look at the religious beliefs, Catholicism is closer to Judaism than to Christianity:
-Jews believed (and still do) that if you bring a sacrifice to the priest, he will burn it on your behalf and your sins will be forgiven. In other words: there is a middleman between people and God
-Catholics believe that you have to confess your sins to a priest in order for them to be forgiven. Also, there's something about the Pope being the representative of God. Again, there is a middleman between people and God.
-Christians believe that people can talk to God directly through prayer
do you see where this is going?
btw i probably made some mistakes in summarizing Catholic and Jewish beliefs. I don't know the exact details.
You have made mistakes through the first two but gave the general picture.
However; it is not really what we are on about. You dodged the whole question of have christians ever persecuted anyone for their beliefs, inherent traits, or suspect there of, and inevitably you are left with the answer yes.
By *Christians* holding the belief that gay marriage is wrong (which honestly is such a messed up statement being marriage is not just a sacred institution anymore...what does a sacred institution have to do with legal rights?) it allows people to hold negative beliefs about gay people.
So Step 1) Christianity says gays are wrong (or they make wrong choices, which I don't believe, but I'll put that out there out of fairness), and wants nothing to do with them using marriage even though its no longer a sacred institution but a legal institution.
(Why is Christianity not out there demanding quickie marriages end? Why is Christianity not protesting divorces? Marriage has been made a joke on all accords by its misuse exclusively by heterosexual couples)
Step 2) Christians hold these beliefs, and most passively hold disdain towards gays as they are inconsistent with a Christian's lifestyle. Because in Christianity you can only live your life one way or you are going to hell (judgemental, no?).
Step 3) Because christianity holds these beliefs, some people choose to act on them rather than remain silent, since this discrimination is inherently right to them and justified.
Step 4) Christianity is used as an excuse for hate and violence. Not just the westboro baptist or extreme sects, it becomes an excuse for average joe's out there to drag someone from their pick up track across the road.
I know you can just say well I dont hate and I'm not violent, but you and your religions convening of these beliefs is a stepping stone for many many many people. Religion propagates hate like nothing else on this planet. By making claims that state: how some people act and what they believe in is not right, incorrect, and that they are going to hell, and are misled etc seems to inspire such hatred out of so many people so easily. How are us non believers to protect ourselves from these people your religion clearly can't protect us from, and clearly does not care to, because after all, the rest of us are just sinners, and unimportant in the grander scales of things.
I know you can just say well I dont hate and I'm not violent, but you and your religions convening of these beliefs is a stepping stone for many many many people. Religion propagates hate like nothing else on this planet. By making claims that state: how some people act and what they believe in is not right, incorrect, and that they are going to hell, and are misled etc seems to inspire such hatred out of so many people so easily. How are us non believers to protect ourselves from these people your religion clearly can't protect us from, and clearly does not care to, because after all, the rest of us are just sinners, and unimportant in the grander scales of things.
Romans 12:18 (King James Version) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Just an experience I had being raised christian and one of my friends turning out to be gay and the way everyone treated him and spoke of him. It was literally like someone turning on a light and I threw out my religious beliefs almost immediately. I realized none of it made sense and there were so many inconsistencies.
It's interesting to see how hurt / scared someone can be when people threaten to beat them up and tell them theyre going to hell, and then the person crying to you, telling you of how they dont understand why people say and do things over something they did not choose. I once looked down upon gays as an early teen or kid from what I had been told, and I felt so deceived afterwards and wondered how I could be so ignorant just believing things I had been told.
I did my research afterwards and just realized how Christianity has condoned such hatred and violence throughout the course of history. It might be harder for you to understand as a male but for all the things expected of females, and the discrmination and double standards put on females. Almost all arising or supported by religion.
I would attack Islam as well except most of us are encaptured with western christian thought. Honestly, don't even get me started on those countries and their beliefs towards women and gays ;P Plus I have not done as much research, nor do I have experience living in an islam society.
To be fair I have a vendetta against all religion, not the people necessarily, but the religions and the people that made them--who go against all truth and reason in this world.
Romans 12:18 (King James Version) If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
You fail to mention all the other verses that are used to condone hatred.
How many wars in this world have been started over religion, it appears noone can live peaceably with all mean.
Wars have been started either by religion or under the guise of religion.
Look at Iraq: George Bush said god told him to invade iraq, I'm pretty sure in those exact words.
Now, either George Bush was lying, and using this as a guise to trick overly religious america into believing him or giving some sort of justification....OR god wanted him to invade iraq...I dont see the peace
I personally feel a world without religion, would be a better off world. I say this being aware that not all religious people are bad people. I'm sure people who are religious and not bad would remain good people, and that the people who are religious and bad would have to find another reason to hate people so intensely--which I theorize would be hard to do
sry for going back so far, but u mind explaining how the world would be better without religion? Just because there isn't religion doesn't mean hate will be abolished
WTF!? The Bible says adultery and fornication are sins for everyone. FAIL. Please try again.
Uh have you seen many religious families? If a girl sleeps with a guy she gets ostracized the most the guy gets off with a slap on the wrist, and the girl is seen as dirty and sinful and a slut.
The girl always gets the dirtied reputation inspite of the adultery and fornication sins applicable to both genders. If you have not seen this then you have been quite sheltered in regards to relationships and sex.
Girls get the raw end of the deal religious or not when it comes to sex, sure you say guys can be sluts too, but noone actually seriously calls a guy a slut in a negative way like girls get called that. That is what we call a double standard. Also the gold digger name too, guys can date way younger women and only the prettiest and they don't get any bad name for that, yet the girl in the situation dating the older / wealthier guy gets called a gold digger or slut etc.
And I'm assuming you've never had sex then unless you're married.
Cause you know a lot of people now a days they just pick what they like in the bible and ignore the rest. IE pre-marital sex
sry for going back so far, but u mind explaining how the world would be better without religion? Just because there isn't religion doesn't mean hate will be abolished
lazyGUY i will leave it to you to do some research on all the wars from the time of before and after current era, or how christianity calls that time, before and after the death of christ.
Sure, hate might not be extinguished, but what would we have to hate each other for besides our different beliefs in what will lead to salvation? Because that question is the one that has led to most wars and bloodshed. If not over that question then fights over land which religious groups think they have a god given right to have.
I would have a lot more respect for religion as a whole if it were consistent in any way, i mean if hating and enslaving blacks was acceptable for them 100 years ago why is it not now? Things like this I am curious about, I want to know actual explanations rather than condemning them like they do to people they don't accept. And when I say they I don't mean all christian people, I mean the people that lead the faith, who are your accepted symbols, people like the pope.
I'm glad you can at least admit you aren't a perfect christian, and if you aren't perfect and are christian then why can you hold those standards to anyone else?
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Unless youre saying the Christians have never persecuted anyone or witch hunted your post was useless and we do want to know your drug dealer.
So either one doesn't exist and is completely wrong and is making it all up or both are the same thing.
-Jews believed (and still do) that if you bring a sacrifice to the priest, he will burn it on your behalf and your sins will be forgiven.
In other words: there is a middleman between people and God
-Catholics believe that you have to confess your sins to a priest in order for them to be forgiven. Also, there's something about the Pope being the representative of God. Again, there is a middleman between people and God.
-Christians believe that people can talk to God directly through prayer
do you see where this is going?
btw i probably made some mistakes in summarizing Catholic and Jewish beliefs. I don't know the exact details.
However; it is not really what we are on about. You dodged the whole question of have christians ever persecuted anyone for their beliefs, inherent traits, or suspect there of, and inevitably you are left with the answer yes.
By *Christians* holding the belief that gay marriage is wrong
(which honestly is such a messed up statement being marriage is not just a sacred institution anymore...what does a sacred institution have to do with legal
rights?)
it allows people to hold negative beliefs about gay people.
So Step 1) Christianity says gays are wrong (or they make wrong choices, which I don't believe, but I'll put that out there out of fairness), and wants nothing to do with them using marriage even though its no longer a sacred institution but a legal institution.
(Why is Christianity not out there demanding quickie marriages end? Why is Christianity not protesting divorces? Marriage has been made a joke on all accords by its misuse exclusively by heterosexual couples)
Step 2) Christians hold these beliefs, and most passively hold disdain towards gays as they are inconsistent with a Christian's lifestyle. Because in Christianity you can only live your life one way or you are going to hell (judgemental, no?).
Step 3) Because christianity holds these beliefs, some people choose to act on them rather than remain silent, since this discrimination is inherently right to them and justified.
Step 4) Christianity is used as an excuse for hate and violence. Not just the westboro baptist or extreme sects, it becomes an excuse for average joe's out there to drag someone from their pick up track across the road.
I know you can just say well I dont hate and I'm not violent, but you and your religions convening of these beliefs is a stepping stone for many many many people. Religion propagates hate like nothing else on this planet. By making claims that state: how some people act and what they believe in is not right, incorrect, and that they are going to hell, and are misled etc seems to inspire such hatred out of so many people so easily. How are us non believers to protect ourselves from these people your religion clearly can't protect us from, and clearly does not care to, because after all, the rest of us are just sinners, and unimportant in the grander scales of things.
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
It's interesting to see how hurt / scared someone can be when people threaten to beat them up and tell them theyre going to hell, and then the person crying to you, telling you of how they dont understand why people say and do things over something they did not choose. I once looked down upon gays as an early teen or kid from what I had been told, and I felt so deceived afterwards and wondered how I could be so ignorant just believing things I had been told.
I did my research afterwards and just realized how Christianity has condoned such hatred and violence throughout the course of history. It might be harder for you to understand as a male but for all the things expected of females, and the discrmination and double standards put on females. Almost all arising or supported by religion.
I would attack Islam as well except most of us are encaptured with western christian thought. Honestly, don't even get me started on those countries and their beliefs towards women and gays ;P Plus I have not done as much research, nor do I have experience living in an islam society.
To be fair I have a vendetta against all religion, not the people necessarily, but the religions and the people that made them--who go against all truth and reason in this world.
How many wars in this world have been started over religion, it appears noone can live peaceably with all mean.
Wars have been started either by religion or under the guise of religion.
Look at Iraq: George Bush said god told him to invade iraq, I'm pretty sure in those exact words.
Now, either George Bush was lying, and using this as a guise to trick overly religious america into believing him or giving some sort of justification....OR god wanted him to invade iraq...I dont see the peace
Please try again.
please try again
The girl always gets the dirtied reputation inspite of the adultery and fornication sins applicable to both genders. If you have not seen this then you have been quite sheltered in regards to relationships and sex.
Girls get the raw end of the deal religious or not when it comes to sex, sure you say guys can be sluts too, but noone actually seriously calls a guy a slut in a negative way like girls get called that. That is what we call a double standard. Also the gold digger name too, guys can date way younger women and only the prettiest and they don't get any bad name for that, yet the girl in the situation dating the older / wealthier guy gets called a gold digger or slut etc.
And I'm assuming you've never had sex then unless you're married.
Cause you know a lot of people now a days they just pick what they like in the bible and ignore the rest. IE pre-marital sex
Sure, hate might not be extinguished, but what would we have to hate each other for besides our different beliefs in what will lead to salvation? Because that question is the one that has led to most wars and bloodshed. If not over that question then fights over land which religious groups think they have a god given right to have.
I'm glad you can at least admit you aren't a perfect christian, and if you aren't perfect and are christian then why can you hold those standards to anyone else?
lol.. i'm kidding.. =P
is that how the saying goes? @_@