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Tibet Vs China
So I was watching the news yesterday and there were like two protests, China says Tibet is trying to ruin their olympics and that the western media is only showing one side of the story.
I'm just curious does anyone know any possible reasons why [b][u]Tibet would have some vendetta against such a big powerful country such as China[u][b]
Just taking bias into account form western media, and assuming neither side is to blame, what possible reason and under what logic would Tibet have in threatening China other than it's own destruction?
I'm just curious does anyone know any possible reasons why [b][u]Tibet would have some vendetta against such a big powerful country such as China[u][b]
Just taking bias into account form western media, and assuming neither side is to blame, what possible reason and under what logic would Tibet have in threatening China other than it's own destruction?
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China is encouraging Chinese to move and live in Tibet. Currently, there the number of Chinese in Tibet outnumber the native Tibetans. Well, the Dalai Lama is saying this it's cultural genocide, etc etc.
This article is related: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/tibet.unrest/
What i dont get is...the Dalai Lama says he doesnt want Tibet to separate from China, but it seems to me..tahts what they really want. He also says China treats them as second-class citizens in their own land. So...wouldnt the simplest solution for China to just kiss and make up?
is what a red neck would say
but as far as i know... Tibetans are pretty much in the same boat as the First Nations here.. and if not better... the China government pays all for their tuitions if they decide to pursue education and subsidizes living expenses for the poor and those who study to become a monk... so I really don't see why they should get so angry when they've been on the receiving end for so long... and that cultural genocide speech is bs... nearly every culture experiences an infiltration or fusion from other cultures.. it's not and does not kill essentially kill the culture per se.. what kills a culture is when people fail to preserve their origins... and that responsibility shouldn't be burdened onto others when the people themselves aren't putting in effort to protect their own culture..
the dalai lama insists that he only wants autonomy within china, but the people who are rioting in tibet aren't exactly listening to what their religious leader is saying, and just doing their own thing over there.
In Lhasa, the region's ancient capital, there are now 100,000 Tibetans but twice as many outsiders, the Tibetan spiritual leader said. The majority of those are Han Chinese, the country's ethnic majority. (source)
In the capital, Tibetans are outnumbered 2:1...what can they do? This is the reason for Dalai Lama's outcry for "cultural genocide".
First, the Tibetians are a completely different people than Han Chinese. They have different cultures, customs, and lanugage. The only reasons why Tibetians in the past become subugated by the Yuan and Qing Dynasty is because of conquest. A majority of Tibetians have no desire to be ruled by any foreign power and all the pretty flowery infrastructures the Chinese built within Tibet will not change my mind.
Second, the Chinese have long undertook a campaign to eradicate Tibetian culture dating as far back to the Cultural Revolution. Today, the Chinese disrupted the traditional Tibetian custom of the "Two Lamas" by installing their own Panchen Lama in Tibet. This is a blatant violation of Tibetian culture and custom. Seriously?
The War Hawk within me is telling me to post this...
Solution to Chinese Occupation of Tibet: Google Operation Cyclone
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=11921&size=A
I saw a photo (I'll try to find it) taken by a British intelligence that shows these soldiers holding those robes.
I may now begin to consider 9/11 as an inside job...
I saw a photo that shows soldiers holding the robes in an offical chinese webside few days ago , but there's evdience showing that the photo was taken in 2005.....
That was pathetic of the protesters to target the torch like that.. I mean theres other ways of fighting the government other than the tarnishing the olympics (which are supposed to stand for unity)
And honestly I aint a conspiracy nut or nething, but the way the western media (which revolves aound the US) is treating this, I could see the US government being behind it. They brainwash the western population so if nething goes wrong most ppl will support war. I mean i heard of a statistic where like around 40% (not too sure) of Americas population still doesn't know that there were no WMD's in Iraq. There are so many conspiracy about everything that the government does i wouldn't be surprised at some of them being true.
What seriously concerns me right now is that these may eventually grew into a new wave of anti-Chinese sentiment. Yes, I seriously have THIS little faith in society. Statistically, people who watch only Fox News are a lot worse informed than people who watched other news network. Therefore, that 40% is probably just those who watched only Fox News, pretty scary if you think about it
If it weren't for the internet a lot of things would probably never come into the open, since the internet isn't really worked around corporate sponsorships entirely.
Regarding WMD in iraq, does anyone really know? It's entirely possible things may have been dismantled and moved, or that the Bush administration went on false information or lies altogether.
the idea of tying politics into the Olympics is driving me insane.. it's like.. people have some sense.. sports and politics just don't and shouldn't be mixed.. i'm utterly disappointed in seeing the demonstration (borderline riot) in France on the news today.. on one hand half the world is pointing fingers at China while political leaders (not naming them) are endorsing these riots by doing nothing.. where's the love for sports? =(
and about western media (i know i shouldn't generalize but let's collectively call it that) is pissing me off.. so global fucked up and reported a ONE SIDED view of the incident.. shouldn't there be some sort of public apology or announcement being made to admit their faults? so i might be a prick about this but i think China rightfully deserves that apology..
@randomuser: that's what been officially reported.. but think about it.. the USA has X number of satellites up in space which they can virtually point into your bedroom.. and you tell me that the Bush Admin didn't see this beforehand? something doesn't add up here.. =\ or maybe hussein set him up .. bush after all only has the intelligence of a avg uni student.. =P and i'm only saying this as a possibility.. just the heads up for any pro-bushes out there..
@lazyguy: yeah.. nobody stood up and here you have half the world going up against China on human rights issues.. what has the world come to.. @_@ and funny thing is many still follow American policies (Canada included) and that's just beyond me...
and really.. i think it's just unwise for harper to say what he said about the Olympics... Canada shouldn't be pointing fingers when they're exactly in the same boat as China.. Quebec ring any bells here? i won't be surprised if the Quebecians take this opportunity to gain independence...if they see this potential leverage.. bad move prime minister harper.. =P
theres really so much none of us know for sure thats only been reported by media and officials we dont know
im honestly not pro bush or anti bush in regards to the iraq war, i dont feel i have enough information to make a real judgement, theres too much secrecy etc involved with everything thats happened in relation to this, up until the point they overthrew saddam hussein things were peachy whether or whether not there were WMD, after that the real justification got slippery
i just dont like jumping on bandwagons, its so easy for everyone to be like:
"fuck bush" "oil this, oil that"
i mean its entirely possible theyre there just for oil but i personally dont know this for sure so dont like to make statements to that extent
theres things that go behind the scenes none of us will ever know, at times the world is just a stage and were nothing but viewers
i think it's justifiable for people to figure it out based on the information available to us.. after all.. that's all we're being given.. what else can others do with limited info? people aren't making claims like they know the truth.. they're just throwing out some food for thought.. makes ppl re-think about the situation you know.. =)
and kudos for not making claims about things you don't know for sure.. cause apparently the rest of the world doesn't seem to think that way.. which is quite sad..