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Revisiting Pride: Asian Groups on campus

edited March 2008 in General
I was walking down the hall per usual at school, when I walked by the chinese club or connection, whatever it is called.

I just wondered, when is racial pride okay?

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this group, nor have they wronged me in anyway, theyre just being used for example. Nor do I think they would deny me affiliation even though I am not asian.

If there was a white club with a table on campus I don't think that would be very PC, nor do I think there should be one.

So when is it appropriate and why?

Is it only okay when the the group is a minority? So for example the interfaith center on campus and the gay pride group. You have the interfaith with over representation in the population, older anyway. And the gay one who are obviously a minority.

Are these special interest groups only allowed when the group is under represented? Refering back to the asian groups who have tables in the AQ, considering vancouvers racial and ethnic make up do they constitute a minority?

Again I have nothing against the asian group, but Im white and would have a problem with a white group, so how do we justify others?
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  • IVTIVT
    edited March 2008
    being PC is garbage
    although, yes, a White Pride table would make things awkward...
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    Racial pride is bullcrap, whether it's coming from whites, blacks, asians, whatever.

    One thing I'm a little wobbly on, though, is this "Canadianized Asian Club." I remember reading a thing about them where they claim to be a group for those who are constantly pulled between the competing cultures of their parents and their peers. It's an odd thing, and I still think it's a little wierd and racist to create a "asian club" (as mentioned, just try to imagine a 'white club') but that's the best explanation I've yet heard as to why it might be a legitimate thing.
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    randomuser;24874 said:
    I was walking down the hall per usual at school, when I walked by the chinese club or connection, whatever it is called.

    I just wondered, when is racial pride okay?
    It's not "racial pride" as you may see it. Those clubs are just gatherings of Chinese students who have a common background & language. It's like the French club or the Quebecois club.
    randomuser;24874 said:

    Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against this group, nor have they wronged me in anyway, theyre just being used for example. Nor do I think they would deny me affiliation even though I am not asian.
    You're right about the affilliation because there is the odd one or two white guys who have joined those clubs for whatever wishes or motives they want to pursue.
    randomuser;24874 said:

    If there was a white club with a table on campus I don't think that would be very PC, nor do I think there should be one.

    So when is it appropriate and why?
    There is a club's day during the beginning of every semester.
    randomuser;24874 said:

    Is it only okay when the the group is a minority? So for example the interfaith center on campus and the gay pride group. You have the interfaith with over representation in the population, older anyway. And the gay one who are obviously a minority.
    I don't understand this so no comment.
    randomuser;24874 said:

    Are these special interest groups only allowed when the group is under represented? Refering back to the asian groups who have tables in the AQ, considering vancouvers racial and ethnic make up do they constitute a minority?
    It's just a club that brings together people who speak the same native language and have a common background. I think your question about minority groups ought to be in another thread because the Chinese or not the only ethnic group.
    randomuser;24874 said:

    Again I have nothing against the asian group, but Im white and would have a problem with a white group, so how do we justify others?
    Well, I'm assuming that you a bad encounter with some members of a club and I can assure you that the president and vice president of those clubs are not like the rest of those members. I'm not so sure about your concerns of a white group and the justification of others because this seems to deviate from the main topic of Chinese Clubs. There are strict rules for certain clubs to be permitted on campus. As for racial groups, it's natural segregation.
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    i never view this to be a racial pride issue.. whenever i go to social events hosted by these "asian clubs" as you call it.. i see a whole bunch of non-asians there as well.. all mingling together and having a good time.. hence i don't see why this is an issue..

    sure you can have a "white club"... but is it a necessity given the number of white people or have white ethic backgrounds within the population? i don't see the need of it when the absence of it is not creating any problems.. i think we have enough on our hands to juggle right now so keeping things simple is the way to go in my books..
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    Theres a slight difference between a chinese club and a francais group.

    While they both 'can' focus on language, the chinese also involves race.

    My point I'm trying to get at for example with the chinese student club is the make up the GVRD is heavily asian as it is--referring to my comment on why do we need clubs for sectors of the population that are heavily represented already eg: white people. I thought i read somewhere that within a few years asian ethnicity will be the predominant one in the general area.
    I'm not saying asians have been less discriminated against compared to white people, but when do we get to a point where for example the chinese clubs reach the threshold of white clubs, and the taboo there. (I'm aware chinese arent the only asian grouped race, it just makes things less simple to mention each race and ethnicity repeatedly when my original example is the chinese club I saw)

    I'm not saying the people in these clubs are there to boast about being asian, but obviously as mentioned they have similar interests/background--and ethnicity. I would consider this some form of pride, being proud (not necessarily boastfully so of shared interests--otherwise what would the point of these groups be anyway? ALso, a white club would encompass the latter also, shared ethnicity and or background.

    So what makes white grouping so taboo, and when do other groups reach that taboo? Or can they...I'm trying to get at the hypocrisy
  • edited March 2008
    randomuser;24882 said:
    Theres a slight difference between a chinese club and a francais group.

    While they both 'can' focus on language, the chinese also involves race.
    Then consider a Japanese (Nippon) Club or the Deustche (German) Club, do these focus groups still involve language and race?
    randomuser;24882 said:

    My point I'm trying to get at for example with the chinese student club is the make up the GVRD is heavily asian as it is--referring to my comment on why do we need clubs for sectors of the population that are heavily represented already eg: white people. I thought i read somewhere that within a few years asian ethnicity will be the predominant one in the general area.
    I'm not saying asians have been less discriminated against compared to white people, but when do we get to a point where for example the chinese clubs reach the threshold of white clubs, and the taboo there. (I'm aware chinese arent the only asian grouped race, it just makes things less simple to mention each race and ethnicity repeatedly when my original example is the chinese club I saw)
    SFU doesn't represent the make up of the GVRD. They are students and international students as well. Why are you comparing white clubs & chinese clubs? These clubs serve different interest groups and it's up to the student population at SFU who choose to participate in these clubs. So what if there are more Chinese people who join clubs than white people. Who cares.... Hey, there are the East Indian & Iranian clubs out there but they are no where near the amount of Chinese clubs.
    randomuser;24882 said:

    I'm not saying the people in these clubs are there to boast about being asian, but obviously as mentioned they have similar interests/background--and ethnicity. I would consider this some form of pride, being proud (not necessarily boastfully so of shared interests--otherwise what would the point of these groups be anyway? ALso, a white club would encompass the latter also, shared ethnicity and or background.
    Yanno, there are a few moments when Chinese students would like to be able to get together outside of class and just join a club that speaks their native language from which they were born. They can discuss music, news, the latest fashions and happenings in their home country. Outside class, they can go to these clubs and meet senior students who they can study with and get help from. Senior students who have take lower division courses can help the junior students who are concurrently taking these courses. Proud, pride and being boastfull is not what these clubs are about。
    randomuser;24882 said:

    So what makes white grouping so taboo, and when do other groups reach that taboo? Or can they...I'm trying to get at the hypocrisy
    I don't understand what you mean and I'm going to leave it at that.
  • edited March 2008
    You arent interpreting what I am saying properly, as you admit "I don't understand what you mean and I'm going to leave it at that"

    If you don't understand what I'm trying to say then quit trying to pick apart my linguistics of what I'm saying. I'm asking a question, which you are not even answering.

    Now to answer your questions which are completely irrelevant to my question which you have not answered at all.

    1)Why are you still referring to smaller groupings of people which don't reflect the subject matter of my OP? Again you are not answering the main question of my post or contributing anything useful to it. Lets begin:German clubs. These are mainly based on a language--this is all relative to the fact they are mainly white people. French clubs. Again this is language, which is massively used around the world, a french club means nothing as far as identifying a particular race, creed or ethnicity. Quebecois club--this gets complicated, not going to touch it with a ten foot pole. Japanese club. This is significantly smaller than the chinese club, however you are right that it is similar to the chinese club, but again not relevant cause you are not looking into the main subject matter of my OP.

    2) At what point did I even claim that chinese join groups more than white people do?

    3) You make a point that they join the group to be with people with a similar language and similar interests, I'm not saying thats a bad thing. So, white people could do the same thing and call it a caucasian club? To be with people who speak their native language and are from where they are born as well. Also talk about music, news, and fashion from their country.

    What I'm getting to is GVRD--SFU as well is largely composed of asian, maybe even chinese people. Traditionally, in my logic white groups which would assemble the same way are taboo, due to the fact that normally white people are the majority, and historically white people, among many races, have done terrible things--often in the name of Christianity and some 'god'.

    It's fine to want to be around people who speak a language you may understand better, which would greatly help in schooling in some classes.

    My point is, when we reach a population threshold will it no longer be PC for a club like this to exist? Is the taboo based on population, or historical conduct? If you are not going to bother to read this last paragraph then stop responding 中国男人. I'm not in anyway trashing their club, I'm trying to get to a philisophical understanding.
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    randomuser;24888 said:
    You arent interpreting what I am saying properly, as you admit "I don't understand what you mean and I'm going to leave it at that"

    If you don't understand what I'm trying to say then quit trying to pick apart my linguistics of what I'm saying. I'm asking a question, which you are not even answering.

    Now to answer your questions which are completely irrelevant to my question which you have not answered at all.
    Some of your statements are irrelevant to me so I had nothing more to add.
    randomuser;24888 said:

    1)Why are you still referring to smaller groupings of people which don't reflect the subject matter of my OP? Again you are not answering the main question of my post or contributing anything useful to it. Lets begin:German clubs. These are mainly based on a language--this is all relative to the fact they are mainly white people. French clubs. Again this is language, which is massively used around the world, a french club means nothing as far as identifying a particular race, creed or ethnicity. Quebecois club--this gets complicated, not going to touch it with a ten foot pole. Japanese club. This is significantly smaller than the chinese club, however you are right that it is similar to the chinese club, but again not relevant cause you are not looking into the main subject matter of my OP.
    Smaller groupings of people such as East Indians and Chinese are considered a visible minority in your OP. Germans and the French are distinct languages originating from distinct countries.
    randomuser;24888 said:

    2) At what point did I even claim that chinese join groups more than white people do?
    In this statement you wrote: "but when do we get to a point where for example the chinese clubs reach the threshold of white clubs".
    randomuser;24888 said:

    3) You make a point that they join the group to be with people with a similar language and similar interests, I'm not saying thats a bad thing. So, white people could do the same thing and call it a caucasian club? To be with people who speak their native language and are from where they are born as well. Also talk about music, news, and fashion from their country.
    Why not? Ever heard of Eurodance music or the latest fashions from Paris or Italy? It's not like Europe can speak the same language.
    randomuser;24888 said:

    What I'm getting to is GVRD--SFU as well is largely composed of asian, maybe even chinese people. Traditionally, in my logic white groups which would assemble the same way are taboo, due to the fact that normally white people are the majority, and historically white people, among many races, have done terrible things--often in the name of Christianity and some 'god'.

    It's fine to want to be around people who speak a language you may understand better, which would greatly help in schooling in some classes.

    My point is, when we reach a population threshold will it no longer be PC for a club like this to exist? Is the taboo based on population, or historical conduct? If you are not going to bother to read this last paragraph then stop responding 中国男人. I'm not in anyway trashing their club, I'm trying to get to a philisophical understanding.
    Your philosophical understanding is at time where I could be relaxing and enjoying the long weekend. Thanks to Christianity, I have Friday and Monday off from school. SFU is still majority operated and owned by caucasians and will be for a long time. For now, East Asians and or the Chinese are the most visible minority students on campus.
  • edited March 2008
    A white club wouldn't make sense in a country traditionally founded by Western European nations (the French and the English). Why would an English-speaking student want to immerse him-/herself in his/her culture through a club when his/her culture is already the dominant one? Cultural clubs--such as the Chinese club--probably have some sort of cultural preservation in mind. It's very hard to preserve a culture when you're living in a completely different one (trust me :wink:). As such, it would be a little upsetting if a majority group forms a cultural club with the object of cultural preservation and proliferation. Therefore, I could understand the rationale for a Chinese club, since their culture and language are part of a minority.

    As an aside, I saw a Serbian, a Polish, and a Russian club a while ago at SFU (they were quite small though). These clubs were almost exculsively white and based on simlarities in language and culture. Nobody seemed to mind them. So I guess it could be all right to have a white (or for that matter any cultural club) club if (1) its culture is not mainstream and (2) if it's united by a language and a culture. The club's purpose should also be some form of cultural preservation.

    Anyways, I don't think a population threshold is all that's relevant, it could also be our laws and our culture. English is the official language of every province except Quebec and New Brunswick; the cultures in the other provinces are predominantly English-speaking and based mostly on US mainstream culture (I'm speaking in general terms, people; please don't give me any shit about these statements, OK? :shade:). There's no point in preserving something that's unlikely to die out since it's dominant. I think laws and culture have more of an impact than historical conduct, although historical conduct may have some relevance.

    So, randomuser, the taboo comes from the extent to which a group must engage in cultural preservation, the mainstream culture in which a group exists, and the extent to which a group is united by a distinct language and culture.
  • edited March 2008
    I don't see what's wrong with having a white club. I think it's fine but the name just doesn't sound good enough. Maybe a western club, north american club, or canadian club would be better name choices.
  • edited March 2008
    I'm with Insatiable on this one.
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    i agree with what insatiable posted as well.
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    The OP has misunderstood what these clubs stand for. They have nothing to do with race. If a caucasian/brown/black guy who speaks chinese and is into the chinese scene, I'm sure he'll have a great time in these clubs. When you use the words "*insert race here* pride", I think it carries a connotation that compares them to groups like the KKK, which they are not.

    They are like the soccer club, but instead of soccer being the common interest amongst the member, it's a activities that chinese people like to do in HK/Taiwan/China. They don't go around chanting slogans about lynching white people in their events you know :P?
  • edited March 2008
    I have not misunderstood anything, although admittedly I dont understand the full nature of the clubs not being part of that culture. I made it clear I wasn't trashing the purpose of the clubs but more looking at the logic of something different. Pride doesnt mean being proud of your race, as mentioned these clubs can contain the culture and being proud of that culture rather than embracing white / north american culture and forgetting anything else. So I think the word worked fine for what I was trying to convey.

    But insatiable is the only person here who has actually answered my original question or contributed anything usefull here, so thank you for that. I wont proceed any further with this discussion cause I dont think Im going to get anything more than that one comment
  • edited March 2008
    Morro;24876 said:
    Racial pride is bullcrap, whether it's coming from whites, blacks, asians, whatever.

    One thing I'm a little wobbly on, though, is this "Canadianized Asian Club." I remember reading a thing about them where they claim to be a group for those who are constantly pulled between the competing cultures of their parents and their peers. It's an odd thing, and I still think it's a little wierd and racist to create a "asian club" (as mentioned, just try to imagine a 'white club') but that's the best explanation I've yet heard as to why it might be a legitimate thing.
    I'm in CAC.

    What you hafta know is none of these clubs are discriminatory. Heck, we had a white exec for a few years, and 2 of them this semester are half white as well. So I mean, we're not racist.

    It's just about being Canadian, as well as understanding/learning about Asian culture as well. We don't have a club just so we can bash white people or something....
  • edited March 2008
    I still think that in this day and age, having a club based on racial background is just ridiculous. We've been told through-out grade school that the colour of one's skin shouldn't, and doesn't matter. Now, we all know that's a load of shit, but in a way, I find that creating a club based on a seemingly arbitrary genetic characteristic doesn't make much sense.

    Okay...so we're all asians...we all have slanty eyes and we eat rice. YAY, let's go have bubbletea and play video games! The problem with these groups is that they promote ethnocentrism. We go to university to expand our minds and experience new things, but what happens is the asians join the asian groups, the french join the french groups, etc. I mean, you'd probably have more variation in personality traits if you base a club on another arbitrary characteristic, like hair colour. The point is, even though the "Canadianized Asian Club" isn't discriminatory, per se, one would assume, having only heard the name, that it only welcomes...you guessed it, Canadianized Asians. I mean, if you walked by a booth, and the club name was "The Cocksuckers Club", you would probably assume that, for the most part, everybody in that club is indeed a cocksucker of some sort. Afterall, they're in the Cocksuckers Club.

    Besides, the use of the word "asian" is always used wrong in those clubs anyway. They fail to include the fact that Asia encompasses 30+ countries, that aren't only China, Taiwan, Korea, or Japan.
  • edited March 2008
    Asia includes Russia.

    Just putting it out there.

    As well as India.
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    Magnificent_Bastard;25024 said:
    I still think that in this day and age, having a club based on racial background is just ridiculous. We've been told through-out grade school that the colour of one's skin shouldn't, and doesn't matter. Now, we all know that's a load of shit, but in a way, I find that creating a club based on a seemingly arbitrary genetic characteristic doesn't make much sense.
    Only the day and age in which the location where you grow up shouldn't matter. In China, we would describe all those of none Han decent as a(外国人)foreigner and I would assume the same if you were born and raised in a European country as well. Clubs are indirecty created on skin colour such as that of the R&B club, the Malcom X club or the rappers club.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25024 said:

    Okay...so we're all asians...we all have slanty eyes and we eat rice. YAY, let's go have bubbletea and play video games! The problem with these groups is that they promote ethnocentrism.
    Ethnocentrism is a word created in the western world. There is no such term used in the Chinese language. So by describing asians the way you did, I assume you have a problem with asians.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25024 said:

    We go to university to expand our minds and experience new things, but what happens is the asians join the asian groups, the french join the french groups, etc. I mean, you'd probably have more variation in personality traits if you base a club on another arbitrary characteristic, like hair colour.
    Your criteria of hair colour for a club to be valid in SFU is prejudice.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25024 said:

    The point is, even though the "Canadianized Asian Club" isn't discriminatory, per se, one would assume, having only heard the name, that it only welcomes...you guessed it, Canadianized Asians.
    This club consists of asians born in Canada and not many asians born in their ancestral country.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25024 said:

    I mean, if you walked by a booth, and the club name was "The Cocksuckers Club", you would probably assume that, for the most part, everybody in that club is indeed a cocksucker of some sort. Afterall, they're in the Cocksuckers Club.
    For a random name of a club, you pick some of the most perverse ones.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25024 said:

    Besides, the use of the word "asian" is always used wrong in those clubs anyway. They fail to include the fact that Asia encompasses 30+ countries, that aren't only China, Taiwan, Korea, or Japan.
    The word Asia started it's use from Europe to describe the vast and unexplored land where the sun rises. It is still in use today for some strange reason even though the word is an incorrect description of the large geographical and many cultural groups it is suppose to represent. Asia has even split into the terms East Asia, West Asia, South Asia and Central Asia.
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    vonnie;24924 said:

    What you hafta know is none of these clubs are discriminatory. Heck, we had a white exec for a few years, and 2 of them this semester are half white as well. So I mean, we're not racist.
    I'll say something about the white/asian 混血儿. They will always be a minority and can only claim one half of their ethnic majority while suppressing the other ethnic half. With this phenomena, they will never be able to create a long lasting club at SFU but rather join clubs of those created by either one of their ethnic halves. They will adopt the social culture and language in which they are raised. Hong Kong has experienced white/asian 混血儿 who speak Chinese and have integrated into HK society & culture.
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    中国男人;25027 said:
    I'll say something about the white/asian 混血儿. They will always be a minority and can only claim one half of their ethnic majority while suppressing the other ethnic half. With this phenomena, they will never be able to create a long lasting club at SFU but rather join clubs of those created by either one of their ethnic halves. They will adopt the social culture and language in which they are raised. Hong Kong has experienced white/asian 混血儿 who speak Chinese and have integrated into HK society & culture.
    Not always true. We had an exec who was full european. What half was she suppressing? Everything?
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    I think 中国男人 has a bit too much "chinese" pride to really make a relevant point. Judging by the name, it's obviously a huge part of your identity to be a chinese person. But what's the point? You have this great pride for this arbitrary personal characteristic trait that wasn't even your choice. It's not like, you worked your whole life to be chinese, and it's such an achievement. You were born into it. I might as well celebrate my pride for having black hair, or having two arms.
    中国男人;25026 said:
    Ethnocentrism is a word created in the western world. There is no such term used in the Chinese language. So by describing asians the way you did, I assume you have a problem with asians.
    I don't see how you can use that as a basis for any sort of argument. The eskimos also have like, 20 words for snow, what's your point? Just because the language YOU speak doesn't have a definition for a phenomenon doesn't mean it isn't relevant, or does not exist. You just demonstrated a great example of ETHNOCENTRISM.

    However, let me try to understand what you're saying. So, what you think is, because the phenomenon of ethnocentrism originates from a western way of thought, it doesn't apply to those mighty and high chinese. Buddy, remember that China isn't the center of the universe, and the world DOES include other places.
    中国男人;25026 said:
    Your criteria of hair colour for a club to be valid in SFU is prejudice.
    How so? If I can base one club on some genetic trait, why can't I base another club on some other genetic trait, such as eye/hair colour? Or height?
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    Magnificent_Bastard;25057 said:
    I think 中国男人 has a bit too much "chinese" pride to really make a relevant point. Judging by the name, it's obviously a huge part of your identity to be a chinese person. But what's the point? You have this great pride for this arbitrary personal characteristic trait that wasn't even your choice. It's not like, you worked your whole life to be chinese, and it's such an achievement. You were born into it. I might as well celebrate my pride for having black hair, or having two arms.
    It's just a user name that is composed of unicode characters. I would have used Monsieur but people would think I identify myself as French. As for Chinese achievement, there are those born into wealthy families who still continue to work and take pride that they are Chinese. I think your parents must also have celebrated that you have black hair and two arms when you were born.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25057 said:

    I don't see how you can use that as a basis for any sort of argument. The eskimos also have like, 20 words for snow, what's your point? Just because the language YOU speak doesn't have a definition for a phenomenon doesn't mean it isn't relevant, or does not exist. You just demonstrated a great example of ETHNOCENTRISM.
    Ethnocentrism is defined as considering one's ethnicty as superior to all others and I assure you that the Chinese aren't all that superior. As for the word example, there are many terms to define snow in the English language whether it be frost, ice, frozen rain, white flakes or what have you. My argument was that you described Chinese activity in such a derogatory way that it seems you have a problem with them.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25057 said:

    However, let me try to understand what you're saying. So, what you think is, because the phenomenon of ethnocentrism originates from a western way of thought, it doesn't apply to those mighty and high chinese. Buddy, remember that China isn't the center of the universe, and the world DOES include other places.
    The "high and mighty" Chinese wouldn't know ethnocentrism because it is a concept not written or spoken of. As for the central country term, it came about only to mean the center of the Han country and not center of the universe. Many people from many places around the world have visited China.
    Magnificent_Bastard;25057 said:

    How so? If I can base one club on some genetic trait, why can't I base another club on some other genetic trait, such as eye/hair colour? Or height?
    Well, I'm not saying that you can't. You can go try but I doubt the administer of clubs at SFU would find a club on a genetic trait relevant.
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    vonnie;25052 said:
    Not always true. We had an exec who was full european. What half was she suppressing? Everything?
    If she has full European ancestry, how can she be a half european? I was refering to half mixed white/asian people.
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    Wow....just.....wow. I can hardly find a point within this whole post, but let me just clear a few things up.
    中国男人;25064 said:
    Ethnocentrism is defined as considering one's ethnicty as superior to all others and I assure you that the Chinese aren't all that superior. As for the word example, there are many terms to define snow in the English language whether it be frost, ice, frozen rain, white flakes or what have you. My argument was that you described Chinese activity in such a derogatory way that it seems you have a problem with them.
    Actually...it's not. "Ethnocentrism is the tendency to look at the world primarily from the perspective of one's own culture." Ethnocentrism implies no sort of cultural superiority. As for the Eskimo example, they have many single words to describe snow. You're using english "phrases" composed of more than one word in most cases, to describe snow. So fail on that.
    中国男人;25064 said:
    Well, I'm not saying that you can't. You can go try but I doubt the administer of clubs at SFU would find a club on a genetic trait relevant.
    You DO realize that being Chinese is also just a genetic trait, do you not?
    中国男人;25064 said:
    The "high and mighty" Chinese wouldn't know ethnocentrism because it is a concept not written or spoken of. As for the central country term, it came about only to mean the center of the Han country and not center of the universe. Many people from many places around the world have visited China.
    Many people have visited DisneyLand too, what's your point? And originally, I was saying that just because the Chinese don't have a word for Ethnocentrism, or any concept of it, does not mean that it doesn't exist. I don't know what the hell the Han country has to do with it.
    中国男人;25064 said:
    It's just a user name that is composed of unicode characters. I would have used Monsieur but people would think I identify myself as French. As for Chinese achievement, there are those born into wealthy families who still continue to work and take pride that they are Chinese. I think your parents must also have celebrated that you have black hair and two arms when you were born.
    You completely missed the point here. I was saying that you celebrate your "Chinese-ness" like it's something that you worked your whole life to become. But it's just a genetic trait. You had no choice in the matter. Why have so much pride over something that is so arbitrary?
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    I dont think he understands a word were saying, after all to him ethnocentric ideals are a north american phemonenon--thus he wont get anything about anything we are talking about which is why i stopped responding :P
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