i say we all meet up at hum 130 and argue there...the prof is either gonna love us for the questions or hate us for ruining his/her class.. just a suggestion.. =P
i say we all meet up at hum 130 and argue there...the prof is either gonna love us for the questions or hate us for ruining his/her class.. just a suggestion.. =P
I thought you weren't going to spend $200+ for a course that teaches about the Bible or religion? This course is not my cup of tea and learning the background on how to convert people is not my idea of fun.
As for the creation of god, there is more than one god and there are other gods above him or it or whatever which goes against the statements of the Bible. It would be absurd to state there is one God for multiple ethnicites of human beings. Metaphorically speaking, God can be interpreted as a super-being that is physical and possesses great powers not from this earth. Let him ride on his chariot of fire (UFO) and travel to the heavens beyond the stars.
I'll say this about Homosexuals, in the animal kingdom, there are male-female pairs. There are no same gender pairs and the President of Iran can back me up on that during his visit to Columbia University.
Thanks for the link! I saw most of that speech live and I gotta say I have a new found respect for Ahmadinejad. He is always portrayed as a nut job on Western media, but he seems to be an academic individual with intelligent views on things. Sure, we may not agree with some of those views but that doesn't make him wrong because wrong and right is very subjective and culturally biased.
Anyways, about God...I personally think that God is what we make him. I don't think that there is a physical god that exists somewhere. Rather, he is a creation of our imagination and conscience. Most people believe in god, therefore he exists as an abstract concept which helps us distinguish right from wrong. What else is "god's" purpose in our lives. I haven't read the bible and I haven't taken any religion courses, but my life experiences tell me that if the concept of god didn't exist, a lot of people would have nothing to believe in, and that is not necessarily a good thing for society. What if you had grown up in a society where the term god didn't exist? What if you were never exposed to the concept of a god or many gods...would he still be there?
one thing i don't understand, correct me if i'm wrong, which i probably am, but in one of my psych courses the prof said it has been proven that being gay is biological, in other words, you are born gay, so therefore, if god creates everything, god created them gay, but why would god do that if he hates them?
Meh, I have a bunch of gay friends, and I remember walking down the streets in Las Vegas, some guy yelling and holding signs "JESUS HATES HOMOS", saying they should burn in hell and be killed and crap. And I just think to myself, "yeah... the bible.... really great...."
but of course only the morons go out and do that I guess... but I bet there are so many people hating on homosexuals just because the bible says so, which I hate. So I don't know, sure the bible makes life good for some, but for others, it makes it absolutely horrible, so in my books, there is no winning with the bible, well with religion i guess... unless its a religion saying love everyone no matter how they are.
one thing i don't understand, correct me if i'm wrong, which i probably am, but in one of my psych courses the prof said it has been proven that being gay is biological
It has not been proven, not 100% at any rate, but it's been very strongly suggested by the current evidence. I personally believe that most gay people are born with that sexual orientation, though some percentage certainly go that way simply by choice (mostly women due to the more fluid sexuality displayed by women than men.)
unless its a religion saying love everyone no matter how they are.
That's fine I guess, though for it to be a religion, it would by definition still have to postulate the existence of unprovable beings or energies, and to encourage faith as though it were a good thing. That would still bother me. But, in reality, that religion would probably be mostly benign even if I had a philosophical problem with it.
I would say it's more psychological/sociological than biological. There is a strong homosexual "culture" that promotes certain characteristics of personality. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of gay guys are just individuals who didn't really fit in while they were growing up. This then lead them to explore other avenues away from the cultural norm that men should be with women. If they found love/affection from a male and never had from a female, they may embrace the homosexual culture/personality because it allows them to be happy in a way that mainstream society never allowed them to be.
The reason I say this is because gay people have a certain "gay" way of talking. I'm sure everyone's noticed it. I doubt that there is a biological disposition which causes them to talk that way, or wear scarfs and tight jeans.
one thing i don't understand, correct me if i'm wrong, which i probably am, but in one of my psych courses the prof said it has been proven that being gay is biological, in other words, you are born gay, so therefore, if god creates everything, god created them gay, but why would god do that if he hates them?
Homosexuality is a choice.
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Meh, I have a bunch of gay friends, and I remember walking down the streets in Las Vegas, some guy yelling and holding signs "JESUS HATES HOMOS", saying they should burn in hell and be killed and crap. And I just think to myself, "yeah... the bible.... really great...."
If you ever see those nutjobs again tell them this: Jesus loves everyone. There is a clear difference between saying "I hate homosexuals" and "I hate homosexuality" They should not stamp the Lord's name on their hate campaigns.
Triple;17036 said:
bible says so, which I hate. So I don't know, sure the bible makes life good for some, but for others, it makes it absolutely horrible, so in my books, there is no winning with the bible, well with religion i guess... unless its a religion saying love everyone no matter how they are.
The Bible commands everyone to love each other. Ever heard of "Love your neighbour as yourself"?
I thought you weren't going to spend $200+ for a course that teaches about the Bible or religion? This course is not my cup of tea and learning the background on how to convert people is not my idea of fun.
i didn't say i wasn't going to spend that $200.. it was an open question.. but really.. 8:30 in the morning isn't my cup of tea either..=)
The reason I say this is because gay people have a certain "gay" way of talking. I'm sure everyone's noticed it.
Right. But that has nothing to do with wanting to have sex with men. All the stuff you listed, those are certainly cultural. It's that whole sex with men thing that the evidence suggests is almost certainly a biological impulse, in the vast majority of cases.
Anyways, about God...I personally think that God is what we make him. I don't think that there is a physical god that exists somewhere. Rather, he is a creation of our imagination and conscience. Most people believe in god, therefore he exists as an abstract concept which helps us distinguish right from wrong. What else is "god's" purpose in our lives. I haven't read the bible and I haven't taken any religion courses, but my life experiences tell me that if the concept of god didn't exist, a lot of people would have nothing to believe in, and that is not necessarily a good thing for society. What if you had grown up in a society where the term god didn't exist? What if you were never exposed to the concept of a god or many gods...would he still be there?
A god that is a creation of our imagination and conscience is no god at all without some physical existence at some point in time. For me, there must be some sort of empirical evidence using the scientific method to validate that some supreme being did walk this earth and left physical substances, objects or structures as artifacts for mortal humans to find, discover and ponder. Right from wrong is the moral of human beings and is ethically judged by the culture or person who holds those beliefs. God did not write the ten commandments, people did. Instead of believing in God, is it not ok to believe in the heavens? Is it not ok to believe in those that are under heaven and those that are above? Greek mythology believed in the Titans and Olympians, are they of many gods or were they from just one God?
Quote: Homophobia? The Bible never commanded anyone to hate homosexuals. Thats debatable, however many Christians certainly DO disapprove and are intolerant of non-Christians, let alone homosexuals -- you can't deny that
Everything MUST have had a creator. Says you. Just because computers, paintings, cars, highways, railroads are designed and created doesn't mean that the complexity of nature is as well. Remember, the bible claims that humans were created wholly and not built-up cell by cell, molecule by molecule (says Intelligent Design).
I'm pretty sure there are records of the pleagues in Egyptian history. Secondly, suggesting that the Exodus never happened is suggesting that Judaism is "lies and bullshit." You forgot Noah and his building of an impossibly large cruise ship, the death then re-birth Jesus and splitting of the Red Sea by Moses (one of the most ruthless characters in the bible.. killing anyone god tells him to) Just to name a few. Sounds pretty far-fetched doesn't it?
Homosexuality is a choice. Again, says you. I'm sure many biologists would disagree. Or any highly educated person for that matter.
The Bible commands everyone to love each other. Ever heard of "Love your neighbour as yourself"? Think of when that phrase was coined. You think any Muslims, Jehova's Witnesses, Buddists or anyone else was around when they said 'love thy neighbour'? Yeah, probably not.. or else that phrase wouldn't have existed I bet.
If you ever see those nutjobs again tell them this: Jesus loves everyone. There is a clear difference between saying "I hate homosexuals" and "I hate homosexuality" They should not stamp the Lord's name on their hate campaigns. Brave statement. Have you seen this family in action? Search up the Phelps Family on youtube.. you'll get the idea
Additionally, if anyone believes in creationism why dont they answer the question of who created god?
I mean I could go on and say a magical donut created god, so the magical donut is the god of gods. You would have to accept this to be true if you accept many other premises of religion, because you cant disprove it, like stuff in the bible you also cant disprove.
Also whoever said gay people have a certain way of talking, don't confuse all gay people with drag queens, I know guys who sound 'gay' but are straight, and gay guys who deep voices.
Additionally, if anyone believes in creationism why dont they answer the question of how created god?
I mean I could go on and say a magical donut created god, so the magical donut is the god of gods. You would have to accept this to be true if you accept many other premises of religion, because you cant disprove it, like stuff in the bible you also cant disprove.
Also whoever said gay people have a certain way of talking, don't confuse all gay people with drag queens, I know guys who sound 'gay' but are straight, and gay guys who deep voices.
-shakes head-
The theist would say: "Well, god is outside of (insert space/time/relativity word here) and therefore does not require a creator."
I'll add to your above point. It's true that we can't disprove god, nor can we disprove the writings of the bible, or unicorns, but seriously -- does that make them anymore true? We're talking about (for example) a massive boat which A SINGLE FAMILY built that could haul around every living species of animal whilst the creator of the universe DESTROYS all life on our planet.
It makes perfect sense, all the animals were starting to act gay so god decided it was time to destroy all those but some hand picked straight animals, so they put all the straight animals on a magical cruise with dance and techno music.
They tried the same for the dinosaurs, the dinosaurs started to be gay so god told Noah to put all the straight dinosaurs on a boat, unfortunately the dinosaurs were too big and heavy and the boat sunk in what was to be known as the bermuda triangle. That spelt the end for the dinosaurs. (a satire on an argument I heard that the dinosaurs died out cause they were gay)
pfft HUM130 sounds like a preaching course. Do PHIL240 instead, that's supposed to (I haven't taken it yet) talk about the arguments for and against the existence of a god, with a christianity as a framework because people are supposed to be more familiar with it than other religions.
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I thought you weren't going to spend $200+ for a course that teaches about the Bible or religion? This course is not my cup of tea and learning the background on how to convert people is not my idea of fun.
As for the creation of god, there is more than one god and there are other gods above him or it or whatever which goes against the statements of the Bible. It would be absurd to state there is one God for multiple ethnicites of human beings. Metaphorically speaking, God can be interpreted as a super-being that is physical and possesses great powers not from this earth. Let him ride on his chariot of fire (UFO) and travel to the heavens beyond the stars.
I'll say this about Homosexuals, in the animal kingdom, there are male-female pairs. There are no same gender pairs and the President of Iran can back me up on that during his visit to Columbia University.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUOf4PSUDdQ
Anyways, about God...I personally think that God is what we make him. I don't think that there is a physical god that exists somewhere. Rather, he is a creation of our imagination and conscience. Most people believe in god, therefore he exists as an abstract concept which helps us distinguish right from wrong. What else is "god's" purpose in our lives. I haven't read the bible and I haven't taken any religion courses, but my life experiences tell me that if the concept of god didn't exist, a lot of people would have nothing to believe in, and that is not necessarily a good thing for society. What if you had grown up in a society where the term god didn't exist? What if you were never exposed to the concept of a god or many gods...would he still be there?
Meh, I have a bunch of gay friends, and I remember walking down the streets in Las Vegas, some guy yelling and holding signs "JESUS HATES HOMOS", saying they should burn in hell and be killed and crap. And I just think to myself, "yeah... the bible.... really great...."
but of course only the morons go out and do that I guess... but I bet there are so many people hating on homosexuals just because the bible says so, which I hate. So I don't know, sure the bible makes life good for some, but for others, it makes it absolutely horrible, so in my books, there is no winning with the bible, well with religion i guess... unless its a religion saying love everyone no matter how they are.
The reason I say this is because gay people have a certain "gay" way of talking. I'm sure everyone's noticed it. I doubt that there is a biological disposition which causes them to talk that way, or wear scarfs and tight jeans.
Homophobia? The Bible never commanded anyone to hate homosexuals.
Thats debatable, however many Christians certainly DO disapprove and are intolerant of non-Christians, let alone homosexuals -- you can't deny that
Everything MUST have had a creator.
Says you. Just because computers, paintings, cars, highways, railroads are designed and created doesn't mean that the complexity of nature is as well. Remember, the bible claims that humans were created wholly and not built-up cell by cell, molecule by molecule (says Intelligent Design).
I'm pretty sure there are records of the pleagues in Egyptian history. Secondly, suggesting that the Exodus never happened is suggesting that Judaism is "lies and bullshit."
You forgot Noah and his building of an impossibly large cruise ship, the death then re-birth Jesus and splitting of the Red Sea by Moses (one of the most ruthless characters in the bible.. killing anyone god tells him to) Just to name a few. Sounds pretty far-fetched doesn't it?
Homosexuality is a choice.
Again, says you. I'm sure many biologists would disagree. Or any highly educated person for that matter.
The Bible commands everyone to love each other. Ever heard of "Love your neighbour as yourself"?
Think of when that phrase was coined. You think any Muslims, Jehova's Witnesses, Buddists or anyone else was around when they said 'love thy neighbour'? Yeah, probably not.. or else that phrase wouldn't have existed I bet.
If you ever see those nutjobs again tell them this: Jesus loves everyone. There is a clear difference between saying "I hate homosexuals" and "I hate homosexuality" They should not stamp the Lord's name on their hate campaigns.
Brave statement. Have you seen this family in action? Search up the Phelps Family on youtube.. you'll get the idea
I mean I could go on and say a magical donut created god, so the magical donut is the god of gods. You would have to accept this to be true if you accept many other premises of religion, because you cant disprove it, like stuff in the bible you also cant disprove.
Also whoever said gay people have a certain way of talking, don't confuse all gay people with drag queens, I know guys who sound 'gay' but are straight, and gay guys who deep voices.
-shakes head-
"Well, god is outside of (insert space/time/relativity word here) and therefore does not require a creator."
I'll add to your above point. It's true that we can't disprove god, nor can we disprove the writings of the bible, or unicorns, but seriously -- does that make them anymore true? We're talking about (for example) a massive boat which A SINGLE FAMILY built that could haul around every living species of animal whilst the creator of the universe DESTROYS all life on our planet.
*phew, lucky it only happened once eh?
They tried the same for the dinosaurs, the dinosaurs started to be gay so god told Noah to put all the straight dinosaurs on a boat, unfortunately the dinosaurs were too big and heavy and the boat sunk in what was to be known as the bermuda triangle. That spelt the end for the dinosaurs.
(a satire on an argument I heard that the dinosaurs died out cause they were gay)